This is all so sad. Jazz gave away their biggest hammer -> job action. Job action is the core of union strength & leverage. You sign a 20 yrs deal which is absolutely insane. You gave away your greatest tool, possibly forever. Now you are relying on lawyers, who aren't even unionized themselves gen...

Where is JBI & Bede on this? Too busy pushing yes votes & shilling for WJ? Can you imagine ALPA allowing Delta to hire foreign workers on visas?? LOL I'd recommend re-reading the MEC's Statement in a little more detail. Lots of information in there about ALPA's next steps. Very hard to suggest that...

Where is JBI & Bede on this?

Too busy pushing yes votes & shilling for WJ?

Can you imagine ALPA allowing Delta to hire foreign workers on visas??

LOL

So pilots and their unions control the business models for corporations? Should Encore pilots maybe take paycuts for more rapid upgrades and get all those 47 airplanes flying? Upgrades = more money! If you can’t follow along with the discussion before commenting don’t, you make yourself look stupid...

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Which airline do you work for? Other than being a troll on an aviation message board, what is the “Lion’s share” of work you’re doing? Perhaps leading by example is a more effective way to make your point. Delta. I left the country LOL so you ain't doin shit. Riding on the coat tails of the hard fo...

shame on a shameless collapse Are these pilots now going to just let other pilots groups do the Lion's share of the work and jump on those coat tails by submitting applications when this happens? Which airline do you work for? Other than being a troll on an aviation message board, what is the “Lion...

Just curious if Encore pilots feel any shame on a shameless collapse with one of the most embarrassing messages from a pilot union, possibly ever The sky was falling during a historic opportunity and locked themselves into a 5 yrs deal Are these pilots now going to just let other pilots groups do th...

The gains, or lack thereof, are due to pilots on the respective MEC who were voted in and represent that specific pilot group. It has no bearing on ALPA's ability. At the end of the day, a gain is a gain for them...I guess. I would imagine those pilots, who were voted onto the Encore MEC, have a lo...

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WB international flying is WB international flying….whether teal or red.

7 x 787s is a lot different than 90 widebodies going to all continents (Antarctica doesn't count) with many more on order

WJ is not a Flag Carrier. Air Canada is. It's apples to oranges

It had the potential to be a prolonged strike. They could have collected ALPA strike pay. When you convert that $3k USD to Canadian its pretty decent pay check for pilots in this country sadly WJ would have eventually came around. We all know they can afford to pay industry rates Encore pilots woul...

Our Company manages to match Executive compensation nearly "to the dollar" with their American counterparts. They use them as a direct comparitor in multiple documents, while we are being sidelined. Of course they do - as should we. The difference is that they've been successful whereas we have not...

It had the potential to be a prolonged strike. They could have collected ALPA strike pay. When you convert that $3k USD to Canadian its pretty decent pay check for pilots in this country sadly WJ would have eventually came around. We all know they can afford to pay industry rates Encore pilots would...

Bob, You're well groomed shill. Spent too much time at business school and next to zero time understanding a functional union You're probably former union member at Air Canada that had briefing after briefing on why you need to eat the next round of concessions. Cheap pilots is essential to growth t...

What definition of "North America" are you using? Because if it's anything other than "Canada and the US", then Canadian pilots are the second- highest paid in North America, because no one in Latin America or the Caribbean is compensated as well as us. If you're narrowing the definition such that ...

Encore pilots are not weak. There bargaining position is . Westjet could have mainline replace them and there routes quickly. The union told them this in there last email to the pilot group. They made a smart play. 4 more years of job security. LMAO Said every Canadian pilot for the last 20 yrs as ...

Because they are weak.

Got some brainiac in another thread comparing Canada to developing countries. Great stuff

I love when shills start talking about "how it is" or "the economics" when Canadian pilots are the most underpaid / productive pilots in North America What definition of "North America" are you using? Because if it's anything other than "Canada and the US", then Canadian pilots are the second- high...

5 yrs deal during a time of labor shortages & union victories and that isn't taking into account specific pilot related supply issues

Ouch...you reap what you sow

All pilots should be committed to forcing employers to improve their working conditions. Not whining like little bitches and pouting while stomping their feet to "if you don't like it...why don't you go become a xxx (insert some stupid ass job) Oh poor baby, what a shill. Boo Hoo. Grow up. I'd expl...

Why does this need an explanation? It doesn’t, just a guy that has no clue how things really work. HF, clearly you’re not happy at Encore and think Wasaya is be all and all. If you want the money, than go to Wasaya. This has to be one of shilliest things a pilot could say I hope you're not an ALPA ...

You should read the email that 1 LEC sent … Might as well been written by WJ management. Fellow Pilots,   The time has come for all of us to make a pivotal decision that will shape the trajectory of our careers at WestJet Encore.   As we prepare to vote on the latest tentative agreement (TA), we mu...

FWIW, the communities Encore services absolutely need Encore, so they weren't in danger of parking anything. Where would they get pilots to replace them? Exactly, no where. ALL THAT LEVERAGE and...........uhhhh......... Which ones? Almost all of Encore's destinations are also served by mainline at ...

My 12 years old could figure this one. Wait, YOU'VE procreated? I mean congrats, but wow, that's the most disturbing part of your barely coherent post. If Forrest Gump's kid can be smart, maybe there is hope for your offspring too... It's probably incoherent for you because you only speak shill Tim...

Holy Fck JBI If you were actually on a negotiating committee, then alarm bells should be ringing across the pilots of Canada 1) no pilot deal should ever include 50% deadhead pay ever again. What an abomination to this industry that you show up to work and not get paid 100% to do what the company wa...