You think a flight instructor flying a Seneca for an IPC and sitting right seat in a 172 is learning more than an FO at Encore or Jazz, or even a decent medevac operator? Having done both, I'd say it's a toss up. You learn lots of things in every branch of aviation. You learn things sure. But are y...

Because the objective is to gain command experience. I know you guys think you can just switch seats and be good to go but it's a different ballgame. Being able to fly the plane is the easy part. It's the decision making that is hard. Your ego is dripping News flash, an atpl is just a piece of pape...

Because the objective is to gain command experience. I know you guys think you can just switch seats and be good to go but it's a different ballgame. Being able to fly the plane is the easy part. It's the decision making that is hard. You think a flight instructor flying a Seneca for an IPC and sit...

You could do this one weird trick where you get the experience the regulations are trying to ensure by operating a two crew aircraft as a captain. The regulations that make no sense, are contrary to ICAO standards, and are even openly admitted by people at TC to be made in error? So a flight instru...

That is true but is fairly easily explainable, and I’m not saying it is good or right. But any profession where the desire/passion is so deep and fundamental can lend itself to people making decisions which may or may not be in their own best interest, but are clearly not in the best interest of th...

That is true but is fairly easily explainable, and I’m not saying it is good or right. But any profession where the desire/passion is so deep and fundamental can lend itself to people making decisions which may or may not be in their own best interest, but are clearly not in the best interest of th...

While I don’t agree that the road to becoming a professional pilot should include cleaning toilets, the cost one spends on education and training does not nor should it have any bearing on what you are paid. You get paid based on supply/demand and specific skill sets that training provides, regardl...

Didn't know that slaves got paid money. Canada must have the happiest slaves with a $17.00/hour wage. Maybe Joe pays more. We have an A340 captain on this forum that worked for Buffalo....we should find out what his experience was. The fact you can't see the problem with someone who has spent tens ...

Sounds more like a humiliation ritual than anything. Only in Canada are pilots degraded and disrespected to such a low level. Mr. AI search, notice how every single one of those jobs still started in a relevant position to the job that they’re ending up in. A resident doctor still works on patients...

I love every minute and would do it for free. Yet you go on a public aviation forum and post this. Why? What? There's no contradiction in telling someone else in a similar situation to me, a career change to aviation, to go do it and me saying I'm glad I did... Are you only allowed here if you hate...

TheMexicoLooter wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2026 5:03 pm FOR FREE? HECK ILL PAY YOU TO FLY YOUR PLANES

But to reiterate a point, I wouldn't fly for free, no matter what the plane. It degrades the profession. Just like I won't paint your fence or shovel snow as "experience" to get a flying job.

For all the naysayers here who seem to dislike flying I'd say they perhaps got into it for the wrong reason. I've never had a bad day at work in any aviation job. I love every minute and would do it for free. The money and lifestyle is just a bonus. I think some chase the airlines for the money, not...

If someone has met the standards and is following company social media guidelines and has consent of the other crew, I don’t see what the big deal is. Watching morbidly obese functioning alcoholic boomer captains nearly have a coronary talking about their ex wives and Carney are stealing all their ...

The other thing to consider is the opportunity loss by wasting time on the ramp. You're earning a pittance, and every week spent on the ramp is a week not gaining seniority and flying hours which means a week less in the top end of the career where you're earning a lot. Many people would actually b...

The other thing to consider is the opportunity loss by wasting time on the ramp. You're earning a pittance, and every week spent on the ramp is a week not gaining seniority and flying hours which means a week less in the top end of the career where you're earning a lot. Many people would actually be...

Someone doesn't understand how things work in the real world and call working your way up to be huniliation, degraded, disresoected. AI Search....Do lawyers start off in menial jobs? "Yes, it is common for new lawyers to start in entry-level positions that involve high-volume, repetitive, and often...

Sounds more like a humiliation ritual than anything. Only in Canada are pilots degraded and disrespected to such a low level. Someone doesn't understand how things work in the real world and call working your way up to be huniliation, degraded, disresoected. AI Search....Do lawyers start off in men...

But my point is they are still flooding the market and every flying job they take is taking one away from a local pilot. And yes I do have aversion to ramp jobs, in no other industry would it be acceptable. In fact in aviation outside of Canada it isn't a thing. It is the foundational rot that sets ...

How did they get ahead if they spent two years slinging a snow shovel before getting right seat on some crappy old plane vs the pilot who got a 172 survey job gaining pic hours? The 172 pilot could be applying for real jobs in a year or two. The ramp slave might not have even sat in a plane by then...

Probably all kinds of Buffalo Airways pilots got ahead by ramping. Yep, their fence painting business is booming. Valuable skills for pilots. Probably character building to be paid less than minimum wage too. I mean, you should be paying them for such great experience. It'll really help you when fl...

It is true, it likely prevents these companies from paying more for permanent employees but at the same time denying that a ramp job almost always leads to a flying job is naive. You can choose to not work a ramp job, likely making more money but you will be behind the ones that choose to do it, yo...

The problem is you're calling a ramp job a foot in the door. It's often a step in the wrong direction. The only job worth it is either a flying job, or an unrelated job that gives you the income to time build a bit until you get the flying job. Ramp jobs are glorified slave labour with the promise ...

Do you really have a choice at this point? I'm not sure, I feel it might make sense to "wait it out" at my day job, so I can at least keep current and flying occasionally. The best time to get your foot in the door in aviation was yesterday. The second best time is today.. Shit or get off the pot. ...

Or wait until you upgrade at your current company or a new company? Employers will soon catch on and I'm sure the ATPL requirements for hiring will change. As has been repeated multiple times, it's not that simple. Why would encore or whoever pay for a PIC IPC and then wait for the idiots at TC to ...

Brilliant. According to the TC table posted in Flight Traning thread, the Jazz/Encore/Transat/Porter FO needs to go rent a Seminole to do a IPC so he can apply for the restricted ATPL Worse than that. He needs to rent the plane with an instructor to get signed off as a current on it. Then the schoo...