About $800 - $1000 of the $3000 quoted is expenses/ allowances! Not really "take home pay" unless your living on airplane food and stolen aircraft yogurt!

Also keep in mind that just because there is a posted vacancy they have the right to put you where you are most needed or where training can facilitate. My whole class was forced to the EMB in YYZ even though there were vacancies on the 767 in both YYZ and YVR at the time. If you are fortunate enoug...

Entry level pay = $37000 approx. $37,000/12 months/ 12 days of work (max) is $257 per day (minimum) $37,000/12 months/ 16 days (up to 18 on the EMB) is $192 per day (maximum!!) If you are anything like the rest of us you need another job to survive, therefore the 767RP (yvr only as yyz has less prod...

EMB would be better if YYZ based.
767RP is better if based in YVR.

Lots less DH'ing in YVR so more productive work. YES there is a very large difference in DH'ing in a middle seat in Y vs a J seat. Especially on an overseas leg!

"every other international airline in the world since 2006 has accepted and accommodated that change by adapting their operations"

Not true.....

Give your head a shake Vic. Fly for free!?

Demand a professional/ livable wage for the services you provide... geeesh! No wonder the business is in such a state!!

My point was and still is... the "entire world" and "everyone" isn't accurate and you should do more research before trying to convince everyone about something that isn't factual!

Countries perhaps but Companies NO...

Rockie "entire world has gone to 65"

Check your "facts"!! Keep saying it till it's actually true

I vote for a pay cut and productivity increases for HNL!!! Cuz I work way too hard for my 60k!

Greedy fucks want new hires to fix old problems.....

Rough guess but most Aircraft burn approx. 3% per hour to carry the weight.

ie. ~3kg per hour.

For the rest of your now shorter life.... Great!

Where to sign up

If every reasonable attempt at fair implementation is argued as discriminatory then perhaps we all need to be part of the solution. Mandatory increased union dues to all pilots. Just to a level that is sufficient to offer bypass pay to anyone proven to bid the next higher paying position to the bott...

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Like Dockjock said. If guy A lets crewsked know he wants to work into days off (at no cost to the company) he gets the trip. No overtime though. Absent of this knowledge crewsked leaves guy A alone to enjoy his off days and it is assigned to guy B. The risk for guy A is that if guy B was the last av...

"They're not doing other peoples work for less pay. They are the highest paid Dash 8 drivers that I know of. So you can't call them prostitutes when they are operating their equipment at above industry standard. The RJ pay may be a bit on the low side but that is because they utilize the status pay ...

"This whole "career stagnation" argument is overblown to begin with, and short sighted" Tell that to the guy who'll no longer be able to hold widebody (barely at that!) for his final/best 5 years (for pension purposes) and now needs to settle for A320 or...... follow suit and work till 65 as well! Y...

"Or are you in too much of a hurry for your turn at the "trough" like everybody else that you can't wait a few more years?" You are a f***ing hypocrite to think I'm after the "trough" that the likes of you have been feeding off at the expense of my friends and colleagues! The ONLY reason so many are...

"You are a seniority shop or you aren't" Not hard to change some of the goodies that seniority brings there Rockie! Here at AC seniority brings EVERYTHING! Not all seniority based outfits does it bring as many goodies, not just pay but lifestyle as well. Take away strict seniority for vacation, appl...

Rockie sounds a lot like Raymond! You want to stay because you are selfish. I want you to leave because I'm selfish. One of us is happy to follow the confines of the contract! One of us is not and is therefore challenging it as a HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE or at the very least supporting it!! If the pension...

Reversing the seniority list on ones 60th birthday sounds reasonable :D Keep the stripes as taking them away would be.... discriminatory or make one feel of less worth. Keep the money as taking some away would be.... discriminatory. Go to the bottom of the list for block bidding, vacation bidding an...

Jaques,

I was replying to the assertion that Jazz was paying more for it's services (from AC) than AC was.

The poor services comment was not directed at Jazz but the AC services it purchases.

Teacher, unfortunately, I believe AC is paying the same (expensive) rates for those services. Poor services at that as well. My main point I was trying to make through all this was that AC is paying too much! Period!! Jazz has 122,865,144 outstanding units and each unit collected MORE than the $1.00...

This is true but my point was a direct comparison (I.M.H.O) is not fair nor entirely accurate!

We should be looking at CASM's with similar companies to find out if we are in the ballpark not a relatively new company like Westjet founded what.... 12 years ago

Rudder. I didn't say a comparison to WJ was an irrelevant comparison. I just said it was difficult considering we have a lot of widebody overseas flying (and the costs associated) to there... almost none. Skywest has a bunch of Brasilias as well as the RJ's but they only make up a quarter of the fle...

Skywest casm = 15.2c
Avg. trip length = 511 miles

Hard to compare Westjets numbers as they do some (but not all) or the same type of flying.

Westjet at 13.2c is more indicative of a regional airline.
Delta at 18.72c is a more reasonable comparator.