Terrible. And pay is garbage. But wait for Cdnavater to explain why I’m wrong. He won’t be long. He’s not wrong! Sorry to disappoint you Duke:) Shucks. I was expecting you to have a wonderfully long explanation. You do have some valid points at times lol. Pay absolutely does suck. Maybe not if you ...

Truedude sure has gone quiet. Can’t really blame him, this was not an ideal outcome but after some reflection I’ve come away with a new view. First, I didn’t see anyone else put their hand up for chair, with the one late and sardonic email which would not have been taken seriously, it really came d...

Nice try dude. Good luck in your class action lawsuit. You have taken a bunch of quotes, removed all context under which they were said, and think you have done what exactly? If this is the sort of strategy you employed during the merger, I can see why you guys got beat by the Sunwing guys and had ...

I believe this will put to rest the s.35 talk I do think you're correct. I usually try to stay magnanimous. Had I been wrong (which sometimes I am) I was more than willing to eat crow and apologize for being wrong. However, given that all my posts were met with ad hominem attacks from Truedude, I t...

Can’t really blame him, this was not an ideal outcome but after some reflection I’ve come away with a new view. First, I didn’t see anyone else put their hand up for chair, with the one late and sardonic email which would not have been taken seriously, it really came down to Claude or Gil for that ...

Start up another regional carrier at a much lower cost. That's what will happen. Still a pilot problem... there aren't enough out there. From an AC management email to employees: "Yesterday, we announced our intent to expand the commercial agreement under which PAL Airlines operates regional flight...

The chairman has no one left to negotiate anything with. He’s depised by a lot. Especially the ones from other parties who do the negotiating. So in a tantrum, or like Rudder said, waving his fists at the sky, he wants to litigate his points into existence. It’s an all-around loser tactic at this p...

And again, the application this time wont be the same as last time, as we have a mountain of evidence that AC directly interfered in our negotiations. The only people who don't want want to believe we have a strong case, are those that stand to be impacted. Hence the common employer... it may not b...

Start up another regional carrier at a much lower cost. That's what will happen. Still a pilot problem... there aren't enough out there... That want to work under jazz wawcon . Fixed that for you. Correct. But starting another regional that pays less isn't going to then fix anything, is it.

1759 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 13, 2026 6:36 pm Start up another regional carrier at a much lower cost. That's what will happen.

Still a pilot problem... there aren't enough out there.

PostmasterGeneral wrote: ↑Tue Jan 13, 2026 1:29 pm AC doesn’t want to fix Jazz’ staffing issues. Jazz doesn’t want to fix Jazz’ staffing issues. They seem content to keep shrinking until there’s nothing left.

Then what?

Hence the common employer... it may not be a good card to play, but it's our only one.

So it’s a waste of time/member dues to file a section 35 but a good use of time/member dues to file a grievance for the violation of flow to provide compensation to people who don’t even work for Jazz anymore? How the hell does that make any sense? As for grieving the exclusivity clause violation a...

Bede is a tool. They were a disaster during the merger, made arguments nobody could understand, and generally lost. Now they are facing a DFR, along with a ULP for an agreement they signed in secret with Westjet that neither party wants to reveal. Their chair and vice chair resigned shortly after t...

So it’s a waste of time/member dues to file a section 35 but a good use of time/member dues to file a grievance for the violation of flow to provide compensation to people who don’t even work for Jazz anymore? How the hell does that make any sense? As for grieving the exclusivity clause violation a...

It is already drafted and ready to go. You have zero idea what you are talking about in this case. So why hasn't it been filed? And again, I know how westjet ALPA operated during the merger, and you guys had all the lawyers scratching their heads with the crap you were arguing, including your own. ...

Encore does not have a stronger case than Jazz pilots. How can you honestly say that with a straight face? WestJet ownership of Encore is the starting point, not the obstacle. The employer relationship already exists. Jazz would be asking the CIRB to impose one after the fact, without ownership, by...

ALPA international has said and done nothing that limits our ability to file a s.35. You still don't get it. It's not your MEC that files it- it's ALPA National. If it was MEC's that files s. 35 applications, the Encore MEC would have filed an application a long time ago. They have a far greater cl...

Your analysis should also be the analysis of any competent and credible legal resource retained to advise on the matter. That legal analysis might not be that there is a ‘zero’ chance of a sustained petition, but it should be the reasonable assessment of the odds of achieving the relief requested. ...

True dude, Bede is giving you sound advice. It may not be what you want to hear, but facts are facts. Nobody is denying that Jazz pilots got screwed. The unfortunate truth, however, is that in this instance, there really is no viable remedy. Sometimes life isn’t fair, sometimes the big corporations...

Name one thing that anyone here has posted that is even remotely possible if the other party won't engage. You can't negotiate with a company that refuses to want to negotiate. You can't bargain with another pilot group that really has nothing to lose or win by doing anything. The only thing here h...

It’s not defeatist to throw in the towel at this point. There’s no point in wasting all of that time and money. It’s a bit of a moot point, as ALPA National won’t pursue it anyway, but you’d have better luck if you regroup, and go after a grievance against the company for the guys who got screwed o...

Not just lawyers laughing. Im laughing also at how crap jazz Alpa is. can’t believe how much of my salary went to a spineless group of people. This garbage is taking so long, It’s probably time to upgrade the couches and TVs already in their offices. Glad I got out. How are they spineless? They are...

Name one thing that anyone here has posted that is even remotely possible if the other party won't engage. You can't negotiate with a company that refuses to want to negotiate. You can't bargain with another pilot group that really has nothing to lose or win by doing anything. The only thing here h...

If elected, our union would be decimated, left in shambles, directionless and without any sort of unity. Don’t think for a moment that any individual Chair, Rep, or Exec is so indispensable that the union cannot function without them. If losing a few elected positions truly “decimates” the organiza...

An embarrassment to any dues paying unionized worker in any industry, but especially in ours. That’s who. This is exactly what unions are supposed to do. When a group is grieved, as we have, they us any and all avenues available to seek some form of justice. You are literally advocating for them to...