Ahramin Your post only brings to light what I have said previously. If this is such a contentious subject and the code word is that unknown to people, take it as a learning experience, not a bastardizing narrative of inexperience. Looking back from the original post I don't see anywhere that JJ stat...

Precisily what griffon said. The controller made an error. But, you guys went off on tangents with this thread like idiots. A mistake was made in judgement and discretion. I have not denied this. But don't make light of the fact that these methods of comm are used just because YOU the ALL KNOWING ha...

This thread has gone off on several different tangents of intelligence. Code words between ATC and air carriers and their respective dispatches DO exist and will continue to serve a function when required. It is just one more means of communication that the pilot has to alert those that can begin to...

The word "trip" does exisist and is taken very seriously when used in comm. with ATC. If ANY callsign is suffixed with the word "trip" in comm. ATC automatically assumes that the aircraft is encountering some sort of intervention. NORAD WILL be called and aircraft WILL be altered. This is no joke. I...

Familyguy is correct. I work RVSM airspace as a controller. North of 52 degrees Lat is RVSM transition airspace. All aircraft certified or not fly at RVSM altitudes between FL290 and FL410. Certified aircraft can fly with 1000 ft spacing less than 5 miles radar separation. Any other combination (cer...

Someone with more recent experience in miltary flying please feel free to correct me for it has been a few years, but was it not a teardrop approach that was flown from the IP to minimize circuit time? It allowed you to do a quick recce of the landing area while executing along with the multitude of...

Capt S n J,
Six pages into this topic and your character and class shine bright with every key stroke immature thought you contrive on this board!
(Although you did get me to post again......uurrhhh).

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Oldtimer, Coming from the IFR ATC side of things i believe their is a valid reason for the delay in getting a clearance from FSS. I can only speak for myself here and NOT the FSS people though. If when working multiple IFR NON RADAR airports, FSS called for clearances for aircraft not yet even havin...

Capt SnJ I am officially done with this thread. Completely pointless now. You can keep your visions of grandeur with respect to your job and burden yourself with the incompetency of all others. I have been in this game for a long time now. Isolating yourself as the subordinate occupation in a cohesi...

Calling "level, leaving or passing" is a requirement. Is it done 75% of the time..yes. I agree that freq. conjestion should NOT be the rationale for not making these calls. When it is busy and guys are climbing descending, etc for turb. weather, departure, or arrival it is appreciated. When many fac...

You peolple are so pigheaded this is like having a conversation with a simplton. NOBODY is denying the fact that the "pilot is the one who falls on the arrow" when an accident occurs. That is the fucking nature of the job. The implication that the profession that gets killed might some how exponenti...

Hz2p Really, I have to fucking LOL at your "responsibilty" definition. Hey did it mention anywhere in that definition the pilot. According to you he is responsible for everything from the design engineering to serving coffee when it comes to an airplane. give your head a shake would you...OK back to...

Some of you glorified bus drivers have such over inflated heads that you missed my point entirely. Risk management in aviation is everyones responsibility equally. Yes you are the pilot and ultimatley responsible for your crew and ship etc, etc, etc. However you want to say it as long as it strokes ...

Cpt. S'n'J I really don't understand how you can make the comment that basically everyone works for you. Why don't you take it a step further then and say that in reality (our yours) your boss even works for you?!? Your the "pilot", the top dog, end of the food chain, bow to your existence, I am a m...

Gelbisch, Eloquantly put I must say. Your summary of Atc service and function is bang on. Our function is to safely and efficiently move traffic. Bounded by the procedures that MANOPS and CARS have stipulated for us. We provide a service to the aircraft we are responsible for. CYYZ Ahhh you have alo...

CYYZ, I'm sorry but from all your rambling you will have to forgive me if I don't understand what point you are trying to make. YES it is always the pilots responsibilty for the safety of his/her aircraft. If a controller gives you a clearance that is legal but you feel that YOU can't comply then do...

Hey CYYZ, First off you are nothing but a rambling idiot. The type who always blames someone else for your own mistakes. I take great offense at your naiive, not to mention retarded comments about ATC. I work in the IFR world and am sure I can speak for the VFR controllers out their in saying we don...