I don’t think Flair will be heading into a vacuum, this summer AC and WestJet will head back there (along with Swoop), so it will be an orgy of losses and over capacity is my guess.

Especially now with the federal government reiterating no nonessential travel, BC is feeling out other provinces about interprovincial quarantines now also. Yet, no mention of a bailout/loan guarantees etc. I am curious if it is just the government, or WestJet/AC are opposed to restrictions that mig...

It’s very shortsighted to just say ‘let them go broke’, their previous size was built from demand for air travel by Canadians (which will return). The pandemic and associated restrictions are well outside the airlines (or any industries) radar or control. Saying a new airline will come up to meet th...

WestJet (in its current form) will not survive. WestJet is faced with a massive payout to those who are set to be moved from LOA to layoff in September. A group layoff (50 or more) entitles those being laid off with 16 weeks notice or payment in lieu. The first batch (about 5000) will be laid off S...

Ha!, get rid of the one list is shouted out!. Well the fact of the matter is WestJet, Swoop, and Encore ARE all one list now for all intensive purposes. So give it a rest. The most junior Encore FO has 4 years in, and the most junior CA has 6. The majority of Encore is comprised displaced Mainline....

I think the short term concession MMG of 55 or even 50 would have been given for a longer MOA pretty easily, I could see differing the ESP until certain metrics are met by the company. But waiving the ESP (basically our retirement savings) for a longer term tied to any relaxing of scope on Swoop or ...

Ha!, get rid of the one list is shouted out!. Well the fact of the matter is WestJet, Swoop, and Encore ARE all one list now for all intensive purposes. So give it a rest. The most junior Encore FO has 4 years in, and the most junior CA has 6. The majority of Encore is comprised displaced Mainline.A...

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98 Corolla wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:52 pm

aerosexual wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:43 pm Sounds like Swoop CEO Steven Greenway is gone. I wonder what that means ...

I would expect Swoop will be disbanded.

Shhh...don’t jinx it

The very fact Swoop is still even running is crazy. WestJet is down to 57 aircraft (30 of them Q400’s), burning through millions of $’s a day-but can still find cash to blow on Swoop. Your telling me there is enough capacity to run a WJ 700 (800’s are parked) between YYZ-YVR AND a Swoop 800 between ...

WJ just layed off 7000. That’s half the airline. How many employees does AC have?

I can also see Flair and Swoop having a hard time because of this... with their prices they need excellent load-factors, and that's not going to happen if people need to save their pennies to pay off debt incurred by this whole shit-show. I disagree, low cost carriers are the ones who are least imp...

It gets worse, word out there is that SWOOP just cancelled the latest planned training course and is sending the last tail number delivered back to the lease company (or wherever it was coming from) The Swoop tails are owned by WestJet as far as I know, so WestJet would be the lessor. WestJet may b...

Now if we could just remove the pink pay scale in between we would be on our way.

The SOP’s at Swoop are very similar to WJ’s and hopefully the new DFO doesn’t mess with it. I understand the desire to align to the Boeing ones, but Swoop is embedded (as extremely frustrating as that is) in the ‘WJ Group’. So Encore pilots flow into Swoop, then into WJ when they can hold it. Encore...

So how does this affect the Swoopers? Safe in current positions for now.... But with a reduction bid coming in the second half of 2020, likely bumped into the right seat till every qualified encore person turns down the left seat at swoop. Before we tee up any 2020 reduction bids we’ll have to see ...

Yes co-joe it is pretty f’d up.

And you will be charged for a coke, only water,tea, and coffee are free for flight crew. Once you’ve sold your self respect for the job you can put the $ toward your coke

It’s actually still around 8 years, and would be even hire except so many bypass the upgrade to stay out west instead of moving/commuting to YYZ.......unless you are including Swoop, then there is no wait required at all-what a mess.

I’m a ‘gumpy apple’, it’s obviously easier to get hired at Swoop then WJ or Encore-because it’s a crap operator. So maybe the same interview process, but with lower expectations. A great gaping back door into ‘the Westjet group’. So fill your boots and bring your white shirt.

The original poster is correct, he is better off an Encore captain. Better Sched, benefits, jump seat, travel benefits, uniform, won’t get charged to drink a pop whilst in command of a 50 million $ aircraft,etc,etc