Now if we could just remove the pink pay scale in between we would be on our way.

The SOP’s at Swoop are very similar to WJ’s and hopefully the new DFO doesn’t mess with it. I understand the desire to align to the Boeing ones, but Swoop is embedded (as extremely frustrating as that is) in the ‘WJ Group’. So Encore pilots flow into Swoop, then into WJ when they can hold it. Encore...

So how does this affect the Swoopers? Safe in current positions for now.... But with a reduction bid coming in the second half of 2020, likely bumped into the right seat till every qualified encore person turns down the left seat at swoop. Before we tee up any 2020 reduction bids we’ll have to see ...

Yes co-joe it is pretty f’d up.

And you will be charged for a coke, only water,tea, and coffee are free for flight crew. Once you’ve sold your self respect for the job you can put the $ toward your coke

It’s actually still around 8 years, and would be even hire except so many bypass the upgrade to stay out west instead of moving/commuting to YYZ.......unless you are including Swoop, then there is no wait required at all-what a mess.

I’m a ‘gumpy apple’, it’s obviously easier to get hired at Swoop then WJ or Encore-because it’s a crap operator. So maybe the same interview process, but with lower expectations. A great gaping back door into ‘the Westjet group’. So fill your boots and bring your white shirt.

The original poster is correct, he is better off an Encore captain. Better Sched, benefits, jump seat, travel benefits, uniform, won’t get charged to drink a pop whilst in command of a 50 million $ aircraft,etc,etc

Maybe a pulse check, and you need to provide your own white shirt I believe, maybe mention you have more then one in the interview (you can get a loan and buy more if they hire you)

When I left there was no ability to jump seat on Swoop even though you flew there. The PTA (pilot transfer agreement) should be resolved one way or another soon enough. You most likely will be better off going to WJ/Encore in regards to commuting, schedule bidding, fatigue mitigation, support, benef...

Because it removes Swoop from the WJ group, it is an arbitrated anchor in our agreement and point of division in our group. Not by pilot group making, but certainly created by management. The fact that there are hundreds pilots eligible to bid into Swoop from WJ/Encore and they are advertising here...

I commuted on Swoop for about a year. I averaged 9-11 hotels a month, and had to pay stand by travel on WJ (around $12-1500 a month after tax $’s). You cannot use the jump seat on WJ or Encore, nor can you use any of the WJ reciprocated jumpseats. Swoop is not particularly commuter friendly, not to ...

Because it removes Swoop from the WJ group, it is an arbitrated anchor in our agreement and point of division in our group. Not by pilot group making, but certainly created by management. The fact that there are hundreds pilots eligible to bid into Swoop from WJ/Encore and they are advertising here ...

Fingers crossed Sunwing buys Swoop.

There is no 12 year pay scale at Swoop. Any growth at Swoop (flying Sunwing peeps, or ‘Swoop Vacations’) is totally out of WestJet. Selling empty seats to your competitor (for I am guessing pretty cheap rates) sounds more like looking for change under the sofa cushions. Swoop is still the same crap ...

They are looking for a lot of FO’s because they couldn't get many the last 2 bids (I think they got 7 out of the 22 they were looking for). If Onex wants to expand WestJet WB rapidly they will require lots of pilots, currently Swoop/Encore are having a hard time attracting qualified pilots and WJ is...

I also notice you live in YLW-no jumpseat agreements (I think at this point just for spite by now) can’t fly standby on your own airline (but you can on WestJet-go figure), you will get non-commuting Sched’s (stranded reserve days, pairings start with 6am report-finish with midnight).

Sigh..... There is a shortage and there are so many better places to apply. It’s like beating a dead horse. I am assuming you have quite low time, or you are looking to get a DEC position. If you are neither of these then maybe you are a masochist. A year in and it is still.... Poor pay, only contro...

Sorry guys, I was a yes and feel this is an unfortunate outcome. I am sure the Onex deal would have created some uncertainty for some WJ guys. The language about the bump and flush got a lot of guys too. It may very well be revisited and tweaked. Either way it is a let down. There has been a lot of ...

Business model, etc, etc, that's an MBA management problem, not a labour problem... If I were Westjet pilot I'd see this as leverage... There is NO WAY I'd vote Yes for free. Why do you care about Encore though? Or company recruitment issues? That's not Westjet mainline pilot problems... What's in ...

Silence definitely doesn’t mean improvement. Not one item of complaint has changed. Yes 18/19 days, same money,uniforms/ benefits/poor management.

No need to go into details swoopstar The majority of Swoop pilots can’t wait to get out, the majority of pilots that can go to Swoop (WestJet FO’s and Encore Pilots) want nothing to do with it. It’s a pay cut from WJ right seat to Swoop left seat (unless you are very junior), and it is far worse wor...

Me Greenway has stated on LinkedIn that external applicants are now welcomed. I can only guess that the internal applicants were lower than the requirement. The posted attachment from Mr. Greenway makes me physically ill. Boasting that you get on the WestJet seniority list if you come to Swoop. It’...

Seeing as the working conditions are worse than Encore, the pay is pathetic, grey days (want to work on your day off for straight time pay). Swoop is not a start up, it’s a very poorly played shell game, WestJet wants to run 6 cent CASM, Westjet has a billion in the bank and owns outright 70 or so o...

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I like it more then the old one. It’s pretty distinct.