The circling theory does not make sense. An experienced crew that had been there many times before would never circle to that side, or circle in general in CYRB. There is no need for it with good approaches to either runway. Something happened, and the VOR scenario doesn't make much sense either. B...

The circling theory does not make sense. An experienced crew that had been there many times before would never circle to that side, or circle in general in CYRB. There is no need for it with good approaches to either runway. Something happened, and the VOR scenario doesn't make much sense either. B...

Each side can't track either NAV with the HSI independently to begin with?

Nutbutter I think you now understand how that switch works, and more important is that it should be used with a great deal of caution. I could see that switch if turned to the wrong NAV setting would cause both Captain and F/O HSI's to read the VOR instead of the LOC. I have no idea why an airplane...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/First-Air/Boeing-737-210C-Adv/0952293/L/&sid=ab659b4af1c0576c327ee39494c3cc7a http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1929/0952293.jpg WTF is this? Is this the switch posted about earlier in the thread? Panel is from the accident airplane apparently. Couldn't find a shot of...

Lost in Saigon wrote: We have some "Rookies" playing at "ATC", requesting pointless VOR radial/distance information from a civilian aircraft about to shoot an ILS to minimums in some of the most challenging conditions on this planet.

This also made me laugh hard.

VOR and DME information should be set up on number 2 should it not? The ILS flown on number one, and if completing a straight in, the runway OBS'd on the GPS for the self vector. If you're flying the straight in ILS with the runway OBS'd and you switch to the VOR instead of the LOC, you're going to ...

"Last time I checked circuit procedures at VFR airports it was written in the CARs that you have to join from the downwind, or cross midfield. I don't remember it being written that you can join a straight in... In reality people join the circuit from whatever direction is easiest." Check again and...

It is very common to do straight in approaches at uncontrolled airports. You can ask various Transport types if it is legal, but if you ask 10 different inspectors, you'll get about 20 different answers as to how legal it is. It's perfectly legal to do a straight in VFR approach at an uncontrolled ...

The article is alarmist claptrap. Automation makes it possible to fly advanced aircraft. The only way to achieve safe efficient flight in high speed, high altitude aircraft up against the coffin corner and in tightly defined airspace is to use automation and have the flight crew "manage" the system...

Not all pilot error is because of 'stick-and-rudder' errors, I would submit that it rarely is. That's not the point, the point is we shouldn't have any of these at the 705 level. The Dash 8 in Buffalo, and Air France 447 are prime examples. Those were rookie moves. Rookies aren't supposed to be fly...

The minimum bid is $159,000. From those in the know, and given that this was maintained by the deep pockets of Transport Canada, is this considered to be a good deal? This sounds like a great deal FYI, someone is going to get an awesome airplane (albeit a 206), for that price. Edit: the winning clo...

550, tip extensions, flaperon kit, copliot door, BAS harnesses, 206's don't get any nicer than that bird. Why you wouldn't just go out and get a 185 though where all the mods aren't necessary, and it still performs better is just beyond me though. The only thing that airplane can do that the 185 can...

btw, can someone post the rest of the plates including the LOC BC and the airport diagram please and thanks/?

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What's the tail wind limitations of the airplane and/or First Air?

bk53182 wrote: Goodness... if this rule was in Canada, - what would all the ex inspectors do?

Same thing they do now, Consulting lol.

The solution is not more automation. The solution is a better man machine interface that provides sensory stimulation and feedback and SOP's that require a more hands on approach instead of simply monitoring. Airplanes need to become fun to fly again. Too often do I fly with an individual (usually t...

hartley wrote:There seems to be discussion on the ILS Inbound track versus the VOR inbound track. Possibly you should address the "Instrument Transfer Switch" system, if this 737 was so equipped.

What is that?

With the availability of a Straight in LOC/BC or GNSS approach to RWY 17 and the crews knowledge and familiarity of local terrain and given a wx report like this, I think the last thing the crew would have been doing is a circling approach to the east towards that hill. If you look at the photo you...

I assume this was the last weather. Correction, this was the weather 20 minutes after the accident. METAR CYRB 201800Z 19008KT 10SM VCFG SCT003 OVC010 07/07 A2983 RMK SF3ST5 SLP108= At the airport, there doesn't seem to be any difficulty in getting in on either the full ILS or the localizer. It loo...

How bout a misjudge on a contact or a circling upon reentering IMC? Not much altitude to play with on that circling it looks like to me. Hard to believe anyone would circle in an airplane that big though, especially in and around that terrain, buy maybe I just don't know any better. Skylink Metro in...

That's kind of irresponsible of The National Post. Lets get real here, we're no more than a group of dudes pontificating over a few pints of beer! To quote us, as if we are aviation "experts" is ludicrous, at best! That's disgusting. The National Post is disgusting. They can quote me on that. Agree...

lol quite the source that idiot news writer has got, an anonymous internet forum lol, maybe he should site wikipedia or something for the definition of CFIT.
That's just classless, poor reporting.

modi.....please stop......seriously You know I hate to say it, but this is an anonymous internet forum, not the funeral. If you don't like it, you don't need to read it. We all come to this place to post stuff we can't talk about at work, its an outlet for some of us that don't like to get involved...

very sad and condolences to all of the above crew and family// i cant remember how many times as a kid my dad would phone home saying his 7 week tour just got extended but the bright side was its just 2 more weeks in res bay. back in the pwa era pan arctic oil days, lookin after a couple of bell206...