would a dhc 2 that old still develop 400 horsepower at sea level? The report said something like the powerplant was still developing turns(cutting thru a 7 inch logpole pine); and certainly it was a hot day, but i fail to understand failure to get at least 6000 ft asl before even attempting to turn ...

i am getting various versions of young's account with different sequences of events, so wait and see when the dust has cleared.

in my first post, i was going from what the right hand passenger(Young)had said, that the pilot indicated in his mayday that they were going down. After the mayday, young saw the tree coming up. i think it was power loss or worse.

i suspect, pelmet, that he had fair vfr over the peninsula but didn't expect to lose power. Cripes, if'n we lose THAT engine, we'll more'n likely be stuck up here all night...

i will be very interested in the report once it comes out. Power settings, passenger interviews, any logs that survived the fire. Weights, maintenance, scheduling considerations. The weather already looks like a major factor.

carb ice; trim problem; invisible terrain...

maintenance... what else... bird problem?

according to a Province story 2 hrs. ago, the beaver was 'going down', in the words of the pilot(still un-named pending next of kin). According to mr. young, a survivor in the right hand seat, an attempt was underway to cross the peninsula.

... actually, a very serious safety thingy has reared its head on this thread, in that i almost asphyxiated myself laughing...

keep it up guys...

... a refusal to appreciate TIME; that invisible, all permeating player that gets very jealous when ignored. Not having enuff time to do this or that bankrupts you later on. Just take the time to do it right, so your bank account gives you room to burn...

... the first video works. just let it load. wonder the conflicting reports on THIS one...

... i can just see it now: "Crash Statistics Crash; Hero Lawyers Revamp Aviation"...

... actually, mr. telo's plane was right on track, just a lot earlier in the flight than the searchers expected. c.f.i.t. in the case of the twin, it appears to have flown down the lake to get some safe altitude before heading west, but that is mere conjecture. one is tempted to say the density alti...

cncpc: what i was trying to get across was that it would indeed be a shame if the incident we are discussing in this thread is a repeat of mr. telo's type of mishap when he couldn't outclimb apex mountain. That was in a single comanche fully loaded, high temps., forestfire haze. They took days to fi...

... did the type have auto rich?

no fire
engine cutting out
rental
what environment, other than clear air?

... latest i heard the cessna was seen by a couple, it was gyrating, (at first they thought the maneuvers were intentional), it lost power, regained power, lost power and nosed in...

google the story. i read it while at work about an hour or so ago.

... let's just all hope it wasn't a repeat of the chap's poor judgement in his single comanche months ago. Airplanes will fly, if you let them...

p.s.: anyone here know the coordinates of impact? i saw a map on a news story, but have lost it.

... i would like to see the t.s.b. attribute this tragedy to some sort of human error/errors. Not for assignment of blame, but to more easily enter prediction into future flying. It is hoped the survivors will shed some light on this so we can all benefit. Airplanes, depending on their state of main...

as an aside, i drew such immediate fire for posting a postulate regarding TIME being a major issue related to pilot error, i'm drawn to suspect it was too true for some. Head bashing would be a preferred sport, as opposed to real discourse on the root attending pilot error. i also think pilots shoul...

see wadda mean, then, vern...

... flame away. It actually limns you, not me. Does your comment, insnidentally, m,ean you had to go to a dictionary to presume that i did?

as i said, keep on flamin', the best for militatin' your 'logic'...

... your presumably comfy niche at this forum obviously precludes you from being accused of ad hominum gouges,(neatly under an unassailable aegis/presumption that i was attacking the pilot in question), making you a white knight, whereas i was simply besmirching what i suspect to be the cause behind...

... that a failure to give one's self time for a needed task is a common root of pilot error. It seems established that pilot error played the starring rôle in this instance, and one wonders how the pilot found short-cuts, that were dangerous, as necessary to carry out his mission. If he was well en...

i'm new at this site, and am not a pilot, altho' i do a lot of flight simming, and have a grasp of many issues about flight characteristics. But it seems a most important issue, that always leads to woe, is a refusal to deal with TIME. A seemingly invisible component that will always throw a wrench ...