This problem has been solved by every other major specialized profession for decades, pilots just can't seem to get it figured out though....

He was fired. The term is working notice, employers use it when they don't want to pay severance.

Nailed it, Bede. It's easier to start an airline than a McDonald's.

Rockie wrote:I'm fighting for my job.

That's the problem. Your union should be coming up with a workable solution and you should be voting it in, not fighting.

As for me, I'm hoping you jokers don't collapse and make my life even more difficult.

Rockie, What are you trying to prove here? The more belligerent you become, the more incentive management and shareholders have to get rid of you. Your position has deteriorated from a simple B-scale in TA1 to fears of wide-spread outsourcing of your job. A whole year of chest-thumping and all you h...

Edited: Not worth the effort. Carry on, gentlemen.

This whole Aveos safety card is nothing but xenophobic bullsh*t. If you don't like Latin Americas work, send them back your Embraers.

No profession is perfectly managed, or is immune to economics. Start with doctors. Frosty makes an important point - a huge number of doctors are forgeign trained. The reason for this is the incredibly high cost of medical training. The spaces are limited to the number of students the school can aff...

Its a complex question and therefore requires a complex answer first off. What's complex about it? As many posters have already pointed out: something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. This applies to selling your house as well as selling your services as a pilot. Customers want ...

Southwest has a fleet of over 500 aircraft, I don't consider that small. Westjet has nearly 100 with more on the order books. United serves 371 destinations vs. 97 for Southwest. Air Canada is 178 vs. 71 for WestJet, who has basically admitted they have run out of places to fly 737s. The LCC approa...

The best way to make more money seems to be by having a Southwest/Westjet model of airline. Flying a single type will always be far cheaper than running a big hub-and-spoke, but limits the size of your network. So you have to ask, would rather have a few highly paid jobs at a small airline or a lot...

You call a loan at 17.5% a sweetheart deal? What a joke. That was credit card extortion rates. That's called the golden rule. And I wouldn't say it's extortion, I'd say it's incentive to give the taxpayers back their money. The price reflects the fact you were insolvent and may not have been able t...

Aren't you forgetting the billions of dollars of revenue that flow through the company every single year? In your world of suits surely that's worth something $11.6B flowed in, $11.85B flowed out. If I owned the company I would have sat back and watched senior management get paid, pilots get paid, ...

At $264M market cap, the company is essentially worthless. Senior management and labor fighting over who gets the last pennies in the couch cushions while WestJet cheerily takes over your market. Sell the aircraft and routes to someone who knows what they're doing and just wrap this soap opera up.

yycflyguy wrote:Definitely not the top 1%... however your point is made that we do have guys who, after 25-30 years of service are in the top 1%. They make it for 3-5 years of their career and then retire.

Bede said captains. The captain average is way above the numbers you quoted.

When you're holding the purse strings, bidding across types is exactly what you DON'T want to happen.

We will AT LEAST match Jazz (because, let's face it, that is hardly the bar you want to aim for anyway) and we will still beat them on the same routes because of our fantastic brand and our hard work. What planet are you on? Why does a D8 pilot need to make any less at all? Why not do status pay? T...

Do you really believe that? Of course not all companies pay the same. Doctors get paid different in different communities. Just because people work at the same company, doesn't mean the person driving the pickup truck should get paid the same as the guy driving the big rig. +1 Does an accountant ma...

The Airline Pilot is the most skilled and highly trained of all the groups involved (Management, Government). This is called narcissistic personality disorder. Get help, you'll be a lot happier once you realize that you too, are a human being. Takes a lot more than balls. What it takes are leaders ...

This discussion is a textbook example of why seniority systems are a double edged sword. While the company is stable or expanding, life is great as you automatically move up due to attrition, retirement and growth. But during retraction, things get ugly because either you move down the list automati...

If Westjetters actually believe that this is true, they should feel completely comfortable starting a regional airline with working conditions and wages that are equivalent to, or better than those at Jazz. Saying that wages need to be lower than the established airlines means that management has n...

The original posting, comparing the salaries and lifestyles was pretty reasonable and well thought out. Many of the subsequent posts, unfortunately, are absurd. These jobs are nothing alike. At all. Not even close. Alike professions: medical doctor, dentist, veterinarian, optometrist, pharmacist, nu...

Perhaps you should research the stats for the last 24 months which make it clear that the domestic market share war between WJ and AC has stabilised Rudder, take a look at the slope of those two lines. When WestJet wanted market share, they got it, at will. The last two years you're talking about a...

That statement isn't even remotely supported by the facts. airline.gif http://www.iveybusinessjournal.com/topics/leadership/strategic-leadership-short-term-stability-and-long-term-viability http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/04/30/westjet%E2%80%99s-plan-to-crush-air-canada/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...

WestJet is devouring Air Canada's market share at will and still has 40 birds on order. Porter is now entrenched on regional routes and is moving East. The transatlantic market is way over capacity, and the Pacific market is packed with high quality operations and is about to be jammed with LCC upst...