The major political problem with the proposal is convincing senior pilots, who didn't have the benefit of high entry level earnings from accepting less then they could under the status quo. That is true. However you have a bigger problem than that. You need to convince everyone, including the new h...

Right... so intelligent that you took concession after concession and ended up in a historically terrible 10 year contract under a corrupt union that sold you out. Brilliant, pat yourselves on the back. And now bless us with your infinite wisdom on how to go about clawing back everything you gave a...

Question is how many guys at AC would trade pay for QOL? Can't underestimate the grip of money... it takes hold of everyone, and then it's never enough. You could predict perpetually trading away every last lifestyle aspect for a few extra bucks. Happens in every group in every industry. It's fasci...

Strike = Government intervention Government intervention= arbitration. Arbitration= comparitors within our border. Honestly at how bad Air Canada pilots are at negotiating, arbitration doesn't even seem that bad. We would get use the quality of life comparitors of WJ & Transat which would be massiv...

Fanblade, What if it was not even close to 2 billion dollars... Did anyone actually verify that number?? Yes ALPA EF&A ran the numbers. Let me save everyone some time. It is closer to half that. Slightly more than half. Costing is not hard these days with Excel and AI, but go figure it out yourself...

Exactly. We can't allow it to take 3-4 bargaining cycles to achieve parity with US wawcon because by that time they will be that much further ahead of us. This "pattern" of gaining crumbs, and "let's get them next round" is its own problem and needs to be broken. ALPA has to actually take a stand a...

Please look up the definition of pattern bargaining. Because what you're describing isn't it. Really? https://www.google.com/search?q=pattern+bargaining+meaning&oq=pattern+barg&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgCEAAYgAQyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIICAUQABgWGB4yCAgGEAAYFhgeMggIBx...

LMAO...I dont think even ACPA "pattern bargained" off Air Transat. They at least at one point were close to United. It was only after the 10 years deal did the organization succumb to the "we can't compare ourselves to the US" syndrome. Right on cue. What you have to understand is that Canadian lab...

Back to the scheduled program. Roadshows conducted in YUL and YYZ, good turn outs, and clarification on a few things. Good to see the graphs where we stand compared to AC and WJ. We are closer to AC, but given we work less to get that is a big win. And with WJ next up to negotiate, they can improve...

] So basically ACPA was right all along...lol Can't compare ourselves to the Americans, we can't strike, we can't negotiate improvements unless someone else does it first, and in the meantime focus on the 3 Ds: Dinners, Drinks and Displacements. It's called pattern bargaining and it works. You want...

LMAO...I dont think even ACPA "pattern bargained" off Air Transat. They at least at one point were close to United. It was only after the 10 years deal did the organization succumb to the "we can't compare ourselves to the US" syndrome. The mocking is right on cue. Canadian labor law doesn't allow ...

Back to the scheduled program. Roadshows conducted in YUL and YYZ, good turn outs, and clarification on a few things. Good to see the graphs where we stand compared to AC and WJ. We are closer to AC, but given we work less to get that is a big win. And with WJ next up to negotiate, they can improve...

As mentioned in an earlier, very lengthy thread that was largely mocked, leapfrogging each other is critical to recovering our profession to where it should be. There are no other legacy carriers in Canada to compete with. Sucks to be us. So we have no choice but to leapfrog what we have. IOW you go...

Denigrating your leadership because we can’t hold the company to account is playing straight into the companies strategy. Fair enough. All I can say is if ALPA is truly doing everything to try to hold them accountable, and is being prevented for reasons outside of their control, they need to do a b...

There is if you actually secure a contract with enforceable clauses and penalties. There are very strict limits on the ability to do that in Canada. You are misinformed. By the way I am not suggesting you don’t hold leadership to account. Quite the contrary. What I am saying is you need to live in ...

The company not only got it's way in negots, it's also getting it's way in ignoring the contract. Which is why you're seeing a cynical and resigned membership. If ALPA can't force some kind of accountability, then wtf are we even doing? The purely defeatist messaging we've been hearing ("company is...

I'm well aware of this company's unparalleled hatred of its employees. I'm not sure why you think they deviated from their playbook with us. ALPA's capitulation prior to strike notice and the resulting TA were a huge win for the company. The ghost of "the minister in the room" was a huge factor in ...

The company not only got it's way in negots, it's also getting it's way in ignoring the contract. Which is why you're seeing a cynical and resigned membership. If ALPA can't force some kind of accountability, then wtf are we even doing? The purely defeatist messaging we've been hearing ("company is...

Maybe no one is showing up because they're burnt out from the junk work rules they negotiated. And have bigger worries, like feeding (or even seeing) their families, than showing up at a council meeting where leadership does nothing more than pay lip service to the company ("the company isn't willi...

Fan blade, I usually get where you’re coming from on most of your posts, but comparing Jazz pilots to an angry, cornered dog is a bit of a stretch. A tiny puppy with no teeth maybe. The JAZ pilots have but one arrow left in their quiver, and it’s got an astronomical chance of gaining any traction. ...

PML type agreements ultimately put downward pressure on Jazz wages. They absolutely can put downward pressure or Jazz wages if the employer is looking to extract wage concessions in exchange for a PML. Yes we have seen AC do this but it is not an absolute and the current environment is completely d...

For what it’s worth, I had heard that CB and your former President, were working on something like this and her being ousted changed the mood in the room when your new President took over. There has never been a more favourable opportunity to solve this than with the previous leadership. Your MEC w...

For me, I don’t care about your list, so BOTL is fine but not if it means I could be bumped or flushed by an AC pilot that started yesterday. In a layoff situation affecting AC, it should be based on original DOH and fences from bumping down my list, otherwise it’s a non starter. Can’t have it both...

You forgot there still needs to be a sizable pay raise for regional pilots, as you assume everyone that comes to Jazz wants to go to AC, and that simply isn't a realty. So pay still needs to be part of the solution. And unless AC is prepared to pay, we go no where with talks. Okay, that’s your grou...

AC pilots do not have to use any negotiating capital. The party with ‘needs’ is the corp that needs reliable feed from one or more Canadian Tier II operators. The alternative is for AC to get back in to the business of operating 76 seat jets at the mainline. The ‘ask’ from AC to the AC pilots will ...