Fan blade, I usually get where you’re coming from on most of your posts, but comparing Jazz pilots to an angry, cornered dog is a bit of a stretch. A tiny puppy with no teeth maybe. The JAZ pilots have but one arrow left in their quiver, and it’s got an astronomical chance of gaining any traction. ...

PML type agreements ultimately put downward pressure on Jazz wages. They absolutely can put downward pressure or Jazz wages if the employer is looking to extract wage concessions in exchange for a PML. Yes we have seen AC do this but it is not an absolute and the current environment is completely d...

For what it’s worth, I had heard that CB and your former President, were working on something like this and her being ousted changed the mood in the room when your new President took over. There has never been a more favourable opportunity to solve this than with the previous leadership. Your MEC w...

For me, I don’t care about your list, so BOTL is fine but not if it means I could be bumped or flushed by an AC pilot that started yesterday. In a layoff situation affecting AC, it should be based on original DOH and fences from bumping down my list, otherwise it’s a non starter. Can’t have it both...

You forgot there still needs to be a sizable pay raise for regional pilots, as you assume everyone that comes to Jazz wants to go to AC, and that simply isn't a realty. So pay still needs to be part of the solution. And unless AC is prepared to pay, we go no where with talks. Okay, that’s your grou...

AC pilots do not have to use any negotiating capital. The party with ‘needs’ is the corp that needs reliable feed from one or more Canadian Tier II operators. The alternative is for AC to get back in to the business of operating 76 seat jets at the mainline. The ‘ask’ from AC to the AC pilots will ...

While I agree with the concepts you propose, do you really think the ACA negotiating committee is going to use bargaining capital on your next contract to have a PML included in your CBA? Full disclosure. I’m an ACA pilot. It depends on whether we want this solved or not. I am certain Rudder and I ...

For those that would argue that those discussions just happened to no success, I would suggest it was not the proper forum. Likely that some parties may have been reticent to explore all potential outcomes for fear of prejudice or jeopardy. And any ‘Rob Peter to pay Paul’ proposal is doomed to fail...

It's almost by design no one knows how to "fly the contract" That is actually a very insightful comment for someone new to AC. Your right that is exactly what it is designed to do. The company never stops negotiating. Ever. This is their strategy. Use the lopsided labor laws to their advantage to n...

Year 1-4 pay as a percentage took the largest pay increases of all in 2024. True. It's also true that year 3&4 and all RP's took the biggest pay cuts in our history in 2011. If year 12 gets to recover? Everyone should recover. We can't argue the benefits of a steep pay scale and then cut year 3&4 o...

Agreed. We just need an even across the board raise now. Year 3&4 were not fully corrected and lag behind 2003 substantially PCP Percent of Captain pay was also not fully corrected. Both of these issues are formula pay adjustments that happen in the background and if not corrected will disadvantage...

I might want to apply at some point, so the current and future pay conditions at airlines do interest me. For my angle, I mainly hope to drive the point home that a 20% pay difference between the bottom and the top is not normal and should not just be accepted. . Digits, I appreciate your honesty. ...

Digits, Can you confirm for me. You spent about a decade working 703/705. You never worked for any bigger airline in this country. You left the industry entirely a few years back. You have a prolific posting history. So what is your angle? You seem extremely motivated on this subject yet it doesn't ...

What has the historicial % been for the [first year pay]/[top scale pay]? What was that value 20 years ago? 2003 (45023)/(296,000) =15.21% Prior to 2001 the percentage would be slightly lower. Because you were so surprised by the pay scales on a previous page, you outed yourself. You’re not an AC p...

What has the historicial % been for the [first year pay]/[top scale pay]? What was that value 20 years ago? 2003 (45023)/(296,000) =15.21% Prior to 2001 the percentage would be slightly lower. Because you were so surprised by the pay scales on a previous page, you outed yourself. You’re not an AC p...

Wow. Just wow. Fortunately I wasn’t here to debate the two of you. I was more interested in those lurking. It’s the only reason I put in the effort. Since I am at the point of repeating myself. I’m done. Hopefully those lurking can take what they have read and make their own educated decisions. Pilo...

My man, what other interpretation of that statement is there? Context clearly doesn't matter because they continue to use variations of it outside of negotiations as well. Please explain . I came on here 8 pages ago to clarify where we sit with regard to our 2003 wages. That was the plan anyway. Th...

,they have continued to gaslight the membership that this is best we could get. That's not gaslighting. It's stating their opinion. An opinion derived with many proffessionals providing input. And clearly not an easy decision based on the split vote. Obviously not everyone on the MEC agreed with th...

Without more background info in how these are calculated it's almost meaningless. I have a very strong suspicion a lot of assumptions were made to make this point. LOL. Nope this was overly simplifed deliberately. Two equal pots of money distributed differently. Then just adding up years 1-35 for a...

Double post

Yes you might make more salaried earnings, but what both you and fanblade are missing is that a higher starting salary would allow greater (and sooner) savings and investments - which are generally taxed less and grow more over time than wages. It's like you guys have never heard of compound intere...

You need to pay your dues. Peon. ACPA 2.0 2nd post. :roll: Attacking the messenger and not the message. ACPA 2.0 What. You expect respect with a second post like that? I checked your first post from three days ago. Much the same theme. I assume you just decided to create a new username. Who were yo...

ACPA2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 05, 2025 1:04 pm
You need to pay your dues.

Peon.

ACPA 2.0

2nd post.

Fanblade wrote: ↑Sun Oct 05, 2025 9:10 am You can’t snap your fingers and make the pot on the table bigger. Yes you can. And that should be what ALPA is trying to achieve. You've been beaten down into this mindset. Just because the company says "there's only X amount of money" doesn't make it true....

Yes you can. Now you’re being extremely naive about the process and the politics. If we pushed into 107, with 90% certainty, our pay scales would be exactly the same as today. So, no you can’t just snap your fingers. You can bang your fist and take a temper tantrum. But it won’t make a difference. ...