Financial status of the companies is irrelevant. Canadian Airlines was within hours of failure in January 2000. The arbitrator did not take it into account. Air Canada purchased a going concern. End of story. one of my non-union acquaintances just told me they had their meeting with Westjet about t...

Financial status of the companies is irrelevant. Canadian Airlines was within hours of failure in January 2000. The arbitrator did not take it into account. Air Canada purchased a going concern. End of story. "We saved your jobs - be lucky your here at all" type of attitude. This was exactly what I...

Full rebid might be the only fair way considering the huge disparity in upgrade times. Can’t expect a year 10 WJ FO to fly with a year 3 Sunwing captain who gets to keep their seat. Won’t happen. It will very likely happen. And if anyone is telling you differently, they are doing you a huge disserv...

Same thing happened with the Air Canada- Canadian merger. Seniority always creates issues. Unfortunately you are not both ALPA. The policy dictates a new combined contract before even mentioning the S word. If there are vast differences in upgrade time the arbitrator will likely go ratio. Unlike wh...

Financial status of the companies is irrelevant.

Canadian Airlines was within hours of failure in January 2000. The arbitrator did not take it into account. Air Canada purchased a going concern. End of story.

AC knows all this because they actually control both variables, and for that reason don’t want to spend huge $$$ solving a problem they know will solve itself. AC controls two variables. They don’t control individual decisions, Encore negotiations, Flair negotiations or how Porter will respond. The...

Those are some pretty old precedents to use in an attempt to screw sunwing pilots... Actually both merger committees should have read them twice by now. The closer the two committees stick to rational and valid arguments, the better off everyone will be. Emotional irrelevant arguments just lead to ...

Long shot, but does anyone happen to have a copy of the seniority list integration arbitration award from the PWA vs CP Air merger? Nordair and EPA merger would be helpful too. Thanks! Those are some pretty old precedents to use in an attempt to screw sunwing pilots... Actually both merger committe...

No doubt the loss of seniority was detrimental but It’s basically impossible to calculate the cost for loss of seniority. Individually no. An actuary coming up with a mean impact can absolutely be done. Just being one year behind on the pay scale for twelve years will add up significantly. Never mi...

Serious question. So the BOD told management that the priority was to “ protect the summer.” Makes sense. So my question is, would it be possible for us to go on strike in June when we have the most financial leverage? My read of this mediation is the earliest we could strike is Aug. Is this the ca...

I had an opportunity to read the documents, in particular the MOA. My surprise is not that the AC MEC agreed to this, but that AC did . The meeting schedule is extremely aggressive. AC will have several high level managers with a de facto full time commitment to the process for months (face-to-face...

So the union is using the summer as leverage to bring in a mediator to force the company to negotiate? And then we can still strike this summer if the adult at the table sees the company continuing buffoonery? You got it. We get leverage to force negotiations that aren’t happening. AC avoids both a...

Apes, Thanks for the reply. I am going to have to gamble with Flair, as their training location is a short drive for me, vs. Phoenix. Although I'm sitting here this morning looking at -17C thinking Phoenix is a better choice, I have a wife and kids I can't leave for that long. Your career changer r...

We are treading down the same path of another much larger (now almost defunct airline) I worked for many years ago. There was a toxic culture very much the same as what I am seeing here. It ended up turning a great place to work with the best WACON in the world into a pile of steaming dung. Most of...

2003 AC 737 wages + inflation doesn't cut it. 2003 AC 737 wages were ZIP 737-200s, 118 PAX, ~52T MTOW 2023 AC 737 wages are Mainline 737 Max 8, 169 PAX, ~82T MTOW Same goes for 320 wages. 00-04 contract only mentions 319/320, Seating then maybe 130-140 pax. Whereas today most of the fleet are 196 p...

Statistically I suspect 20% of us will think the expectation or ask is underwhelming. 20% will think our expectations are unrealistically high. Accountant will fit in with this camp. :-D 60% will think the ask is appropriate Nope. I think more than you think will believe the expectations are unreal...

I agree there hasn't been any kind of clarity around what a world class contract looks like. With that said I think that will be defined by our MEC in the next little while. If you listen to podcast 4&5 the NC mentions releasing a document to the membership. I don't recall what they called it but if...

We are roughly 55%+- behind our 2002 wage package, and have given massive lets on our working conditions and Scope. The Corp pocketed all of it for 20+ years . Good for them, it's good business sense. They have benefited from our direct loss for decades now. It's time to play FAIR and PAY BACK a li...

The point I was trying to make above is that your post misses one huge component which was NOT flushed. There remains a very significant influence related to the direction of these negotiations, an influence fully imported from the debacle that was ACPA. Its not pilot led, its the exact opposite. A...

I hope Im mistaken. Really I hope I am. I am FULLY supporting the MEC, I just hope this time it is different. Thanks for supporting the MEC Aof1. I totally get the apprehension caused by the past. Wary as a result is natural. Keeping the MEC accountable is required. Questioning required. It’s all p...