Give section 3 a quick read. “Loss of seniority”

I guess if the company hiring requires a training bond that might mitigate some of the departures... True. But if the goal is to make money by bonds...that could be useful. If the goal is that you need pilots soon or flights could be grounded, it might be a different case. I can only speak of Westj...

The 20 knots had nothing to do with this (though, I don't agree with it being added in the first place). That type of speed is added on a regular basis in the winter (icing conditions). It is probably more connected to the fact that they spend all of initial ground school terrifying pilots over the ...

10 knots is our max, however that is steady state wind, the gust is not factored in. Interesting that they don't factor in the gust factor... A good gust can be pretty significant Yes, problem is, often the gust could preclude an attempt at landing. You may or may not encounter the gust, so we use ...

1200 numbers from the bottom of the list to the most junior mainline captain. At 50-70 upgrades a year... Numbers released for 2020 had 100+ upgrades and those numbers probably don’t account for the junior captains leaving for AC. Either way it’s going to be difficult to attract/retain quality OTS ...

You should try flying on an airway at the MEA, but below MSA and ask for a clearance direct to your destination or IAF or whatever... you'll get the clearance... In fact I've had ATC offer it... on the west coast, at 10,000' with pressurization problems but continuing on the airway at MEA to destin...

None of this is relevant. ATC never cleared either of the Swoop planes direct the IAF. Even with the absence of MSA on the charts, a pilot with any IFR experience would ask "am I safe doing this?". If there are no MSA's, the 100 nm is your next best safe place. They took their plane out of a safe en...

One thing that struck me looking at the Abbotsford plates (Jeppesen). SID and STAR plates do not have an MSA on them or a terrain map showing the highest elevation. This is now standard on Jeppesen plates. All that is listed is a 100nm safe altitude. This is a serious safety deficiency imho. Which ...

Seems like this wasn't an isolated incident. Happened the very next day as well.... December 17 A Swoop Inc. Boeing 737-8CT (C-FYBK/WSW107) on a flight from Hamilton, ON (CYHM) to Abbotsford, BC (CYXX) checked in on the HOPE 3 Arrival and was cleared for the area navigation (RNAV) 25 approach. The a...

The Westjet SOP's that Swoop use are probably the biggest complaint i hear from CAE instructors. They contradict the FCOM and FCTM and are a long way from the Boeing SOP that other 737 operators in Canada use. Examples? Like you and CAE instructors are the authority on flying the 737... There's a s...

23 years of safe B737 operations, but apparently our SOP's suck.... I'll trust the work of pilots over a few flight sim nerds running sims.

There are a large number of differences between this and SXM. Yes, mistakes were made, but there were a lot of external factors. (Tower not updating weather etc). In the end, the guys got themselves out and followed the proper escape maneuver. This one.... They didn’t follow ATC instructions, didn’t...

Personally I don’t think a DFR or lawsuit will gain much traction. WJ owns Encore 100%. There is history of a one list between both groups despite the vote. It’s my understanding a DFR complaint was brought forward from the JAZZ pilots against their JAZZ MEC for allowing Georgian pilots to flow ove...

Personally I don’t think a DFR or lawsuit will gain much traction. WJ owns Encore 100%. There is history of a one list between both groups despite the vote. It’s my understanding a DFR complaint was brought forward from the JAZZ pilots against their JAZZ MEC for allowing Georgian pilots to flow ove...

And there's a seat limit to what Encore can operate. Not many jets would make the restriction.

The choice was 12 year old A332s from Emirates or the much older Qantas 763s. Airbus was brokering the A332 deal that included induction assistance, which WestJet liked. Boeing countered with a deal where Boeing would buy the 767s and overhaul to Canadian standards. Boeing subcontracted the work to...

The reason why the last vote was rejected was mostly due to misinformation. The polling done afterward showed that the majority of people heard a rumour, didn't bother to read the proposal, and voted based on the rumour. Please do share. What was this rumour that caused me to vote the way I did? I’...

Great, tell your MEC that and don't use Encore as your leverage. Take a moment and think about the whole situation, and then I urge you to reconsider who/what is being used as leverage. Your MEC was in the room too, I suggest you ask them why they thought this was a good idea. More importantly, ask...

Would you like to elaborate on that? Keeping the value of our stock options post Onex takeover is now dependent on us voting yes to the new pilot transfer agreement. Great, tell your MEC that and don't use Encore as your leverage. Take a moment and think about the whole situation, and then I urge y...

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Or maybe it's the fact we don't like being threatened with a pay cut for voting no.

Would you like to elaborate on that?

Keeping the value of our stock options post Onex takeover is now dependent on us voting yes to the new pilot transfer agreement.

Or maybe it's the fact we don't like being threatened with a pay cut for voting no.

That's a load of horse crap. You are arguing that you are right to stab your coworkers in the back because others do it. It's the age old, if your friend jumped off a bridge, would you? I fail to see how anyone is stabbing you in the back or how comradely only goes one way now. The only thing going...

Strato,

WJ has never broken down revenue between the companies - they are all reported as one. Even when asked, management won’t comment on exact revenue numbers of wj, encore, and Swoop.

So, where are you getting your information? Or... what exactly is your position within wj?

Paying more won’t fix anything.

Scenario. Encore starts paying their captains $150k a year. Upgrade time remains low at AC. Do you stay at Encore or go to AC?

It’s all about the upgrade. Nothing to do with the money.

Onex won’t want to merge the companies.

Also, I wanted to bust a rumour I've heard from some people not totally "in the know", about how this is going down. I've heard comments from people concerning the shutdown of flow saying things like "Well you shouldn't worry, because the company has to flow 60%/year to mainline with your new agree...