And there's a seat limit to what Encore can operate. Not many jets would make the restriction.

The choice was 12 year old A332s from Emirates or the much older Qantas 763s. Airbus was brokering the A332 deal that included induction assistance, which WestJet liked. Boeing countered with a deal where Boeing would buy the 767s and overhaul to Canadian standards. Boeing subcontracted the work to...

The reason why the last vote was rejected was mostly due to misinformation. The polling done afterward showed that the majority of people heard a rumour, didn't bother to read the proposal, and voted based on the rumour. Please do share. What was this rumour that caused me to vote the way I did? I’...

Great, tell your MEC that and don't use Encore as your leverage. Take a moment and think about the whole situation, and then I urge you to reconsider who/what is being used as leverage. Your MEC was in the room too, I suggest you ask them why they thought this was a good idea. More importantly, ask...

Would you like to elaborate on that? Keeping the value of our stock options post Onex takeover is now dependent on us voting yes to the new pilot transfer agreement. Great, tell your MEC that and don't use Encore as your leverage. Take a moment and think about the whole situation, and then I urge y...

plausiblyannonymous wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:02 am

lostaviator wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:00 am

Or maybe it's the fact we don't like being threatened with a pay cut for voting no.

Would you like to elaborate on that?

Keeping the value of our stock options post Onex takeover is now dependent on us voting yes to the new pilot transfer agreement.

Or maybe it's the fact we don't like being threatened with a pay cut for voting no.

That's a load of horse crap. You are arguing that you are right to stab your coworkers in the back because others do it. It's the age old, if your friend jumped off a bridge, would you? I fail to see how anyone is stabbing you in the back or how comradely only goes one way now. The only thing going...

Strato,

WJ has never broken down revenue between the companies - they are all reported as one. Even when asked, management won’t comment on exact revenue numbers of wj, encore, and Swoop.

So, where are you getting your information? Or... what exactly is your position within wj?

Paying more won’t fix anything.

Scenario. Encore starts paying their captains $150k a year. Upgrade time remains low at AC. Do you stay at Encore or go to AC?

It’s all about the upgrade. Nothing to do with the money.

Onex won’t want to merge the companies.

Also, I wanted to bust a rumour I've heard from some people not totally "in the know", about how this is going down. I've heard comments from people concerning the shutdown of flow saying things like "Well you shouldn't worry, because the company has to flow 60%/year to mainline with your new agree...

Yea, about that. That isn’t something new since Onex happened. That’s just an excuse you’re being given and the way WJ has been doing business since the day a union started knocking on their door. If the Union is telling you they can’t do anything for 1.9% of your salary, tell them to take a hike an...

I think the hardest thing, and a lot of the frustration, for Encore pilots at the moment is the uncertainty and zero direction from leadership. If things were just finalized (One list, flow, Onex) then it would be a lot easier to make the decision to stay or go. Unfortunately there is no time horiz...

Encore pilots voted overwhelmingly in support of the contract which had the flow language in it. Did that language not have a “minimum” number of pilots per year with a “target” of maintaining a higher percentage? If they’re following the contract, that you voted for, unfortunately it is out of West...

Sometimes you pick a line thinking it’s the shortest but end up watching people pass you in the next line over. A pilots number 1 motivator is upgrade time. They can pay encore pilots 50% more, but people will still leave if they think upgrades will be faster at Air Canada. WestJet can’t control the...

I think the one list is done, unless WestJet decides to merge the companies; which will be more challenging without knowing what Onex wants. There are WJ pilots who voted in favour of the one list who have changed their position since the first vote given the attitude of encore pilots. Jumpseats, lo...

genetic jack hammer wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:13 am

Hi, can anyone shed some light on the word going around that GGN will be flying for WJ in 2020? Thx

There’s a “new topic” button located on your screen.

18 years of ESP, and lots of work learning how to invest and manage your money has resulted in a retirement investment account that is currently sitting at 1.5 million. Yes, I like the ESP. Fingers crossed we are presented with something that can provide the same long term results, and more importa...

Let's do math. Salary: $60,000 Company ESP Match: $12,000 Taxable Gross: $72,000 Tax (AB): $18,000 Take-home Salary - your esp - minus tax = $30,000 = $2,500 per month. WJ pilots pay 100% of their short-term and long-term disability premiums, so knock another $200-$250 off of that. Your semi-monthly...

On the 737 at WestJet mainline, take home pay varies greatly depending on %ESP you put in. if you do the full 20% your take home pay WILL be around 2000$/month. It is very sad. I call bullshit. At Encore, first year FOs are taking home $1200 per paycheck (after taxes, before per diem and other extr...

16 max. 18 on reserve.

Take home pay is around $2,000 per month. Though, who knows what will happen after the Onex sale is complete and the variable compensation part changes.

There’s always some truth to these rumours (minus the Dreamliner not fitting into the hanger rumour). So where’s the truth in this one, or what did this get spun from? The company is obviously concerned about the cost of training in the event of pilots “flowing back”, so fix that for them: Trade in ...

Yup...that marh works. My thesis from the beginning is Onex is interested in rapid expansion of swoop to 30 tails. Why wouldn't an investment firm want to expand an operation.at those cost metrics. I hope the fact that Onex approached Wj long before Swoop was born and was interested in “WestJet” sa...

You folks need to stop using the max getting back to service as a plan for future growth. It is not. We were staffed for the max before they went out of service. October 73 initial class is not going to be huge. The rest of the year and foreseeable future is all OTS hiring for mainline. Until the o...

Not true, first pull hard to bring the nose up respecting the stall warning, then release pressure to manually trim nose up, no need to loose altitude.... as long as you control the speed, it won't work if you let the speed go 350+Kts What if the stab is trimmed so nose - down that full up elevator...