Totally disagree. Ping golf clubs that USDD to be manufactured in the USA = $2000. Ping golf clubs that are now manufactured in Asia = $2000. The only difference is the cost to produce has dropped (as well as quality) but profits soar. Consumer still pay the same. Corporate GREED flourishes. As a c...

Manufacturing is on a steady decline in North America, its happening overseas. Why? Because we the consumer won't pay the prices needed by the company making the goods when they are produced here. Wages drive the production costs beyond what the market will pay. Solution? Outsource... In the BC sit...

I'm going to chastise my friend for this. What was an amusing pass time on a 10hr flight has turned into something completely different. This will be it for me. But I'll leave you with this. I address this to those of you who believe lower wages mean better chances of protecting your job and theref...

This is the part that I dont get sometimes. Its pretty much unanimous outside of WJ that everyone would liked to have seen one pilot list between Encore and WJ. From what some WJers claim here, the same is true within the wj pilot goup. So why didnt the pilots just not apply to encore until perhaps ...

FICU wrote:Great, now Canjet will lower the bar further and pay their pilots less to keep the work. I'm guessing $75K for a year 1 737 Captain.

Oh but it will be OK because they have families to feed. I can hear it now.

Ok so let me get this right. What you are saying is its ok to take this pay, then next time 65k a year is ok, then 45k a year and so on. But all because of the feed the family thing. Yeah great solution. Oh I didnt say we should give these guys dirty looks. If they held their head down no one would ...

Oh good god. Those excuses again to justify ruining the industry. Tired of hearing it. Well hopefully those pilots you are referring to have kids that want to be pilots. When they grow up and ask dad went the salaries ate sh*t, hopefully he won't lie and tell them the truth. I have a family too and ...

Guys have started to receive post-interview calls for the EMB starting out soon. They actually found guys with no self worth who will work for those wages? :lol: Better than that we're talking about 704 PICs in a decent company running for their lives to fly the EMJ to get some jet time and get the...

Maybe what we need is to have a "meeting" with these guys so they an see the brighter side of things. Reading your posts since you started posting here it would seem you are advocating physical force to get your way snowball? Nah. That just wouldnt be right CAT. Some people should have just got a b...

AMEN DTO. The problem is there are slime ball pilots that will take advanage of your common sense and step in line before you so they can sleez their way to the left seat for 20 bucks an hour. Maybe what we need is to have a "meeting" with these guys so they an see the brighter side of things.

That's why I wish there was only ONE union, if any, in Canada that dictated the terms. No ALPA, NO ACPA, just one union. and every pilot had to belong to it. Our problems would be resolved. Well a lot more than they are now.

Some questions for the Westjetters - Why is Encore being sold to prospective pilots as a startup? Isn't the Westjet brand well established by now? Why should pilots starting at Encore accept this as a justification for low starting wages? Why not call it what it is, a new aircraft type in the fleet...

Does this thread ever sound familiar. Wish someone could did up the archived thread of when WestJet mainline was starting up. All you read was how they were whoring themselves, bringing the industry down, lowering the bar etc. etc. We sure don't hear any of those comments being thrown around anymor...

Hey Bede. You gotta admit you are playing a lot on the ifs. IF they fly 85 hrs a month their pay will be ok. 90 hours a month before OT is reached? You honestly think that is fair? Put an opinion poll out on that one an let's see. You are assuming there will always be profit sharing. I am sorry but ...

I sure wish you were right CAL but I bet there are tonnes of guys out there that are FOs on dash 8s that will want to apply for the left seat as they're short sightedness will see this as a pay raise. Whoever sees it this way.........IDIOTS. And thanks for helping desecrate this industry if you are ...

sad to say but its in line with what they are paying south of the border... close to Horizon pay rates.... http://www.aviationinterviews.com/pilot/airlinepayrates.html Oh F##k sakes. Quit it with the stupid comparisons. With that type of thinking captains will be make 5k a year soon but your excuse...

Yes those numbers are a freaking disgrace. Hang your heads in shame if you dare accept a position. If you personally know someone who will be applying do them a favor and hit them as hard as you can with a snow shovel. I mean very hard. But of course we will have many pilot whores that will be apply...

TC saved/created about 36 pilot positions for WJ due to the fact that WJ didn't return 3 leased aircraft back. Don't forget that.

The pilots who agree to that TOE should hang their heads in shame. Seriously. Please don't even respond with a defense if you are and employee. There is no reasonable argument to accept those conditions.

Fasken:
Here is the solution to it all. HIRE CANADIAN PILOTS. Problem solved. Until then I think SWG should get ridiculed until they do.

Snowball: Ok so all those pilots recently laid off from First Air and Transat should just sit back and collect their $485/week on UI because thats a way better option than being gainfully employed. While the wages at sky are nothing to brag about don't preach from the pulpit just because you are si...

I am still baffled at the 70k a year for captains on the EMB. Is that really what these guys make? If so I just gotta say LMFAO. I know guys that make that on 1900 and some even on KA200s not to mention FOs on 320s and 37s that make quit a bit more than that. Give your head a shake and take long loo...

I don't know how anyone could NOT side with Gilles attempts. You are either on one of two sides. Gilles side or the side that wishes to worsen a pilots career in Canada. I will take Gilles side among the majority of Canadian pilots I'm sure. Thank Gilles!

If those numbers are accurate Gilles, there is probably a few sour mouths at SWG. Not a good working environment to say the least.