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by hurtin'albertan
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:55 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 166
Views: 17704

Re: One List

Don't you guys at WJ have a clause in your agreement that says basically before a single person can be laid off, the company has to do away with any CPA's first? Encore is a CPA. So wouldn't Encore have to be completely shutdown anyways before a single Mainline pilot could be laid off? So wouldn't ...
by hurtin'albertan
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:13 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 166
Views: 17704

Re: One List

I have been getting so much conflicting information that I wanted to ask those who actually voted down the one list. Why did you vote it down? What can we do at Encore to alleviate your concerns? How would you want it fixed? Well in regards to the “what can we at Encore do” question, nothing plain ...
by hurtin'albertan
Tue May 14, 2019 5:40 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One list
Replies: 245
Views: 30850

Re: One list

There is already a ground swell of wj no voting pilots who want it reworked and re voted. Fix one simple aspect- reverse flow if there are layoffs (as was in the original moa) and it will pass. The one list is still wanted, and I expect a demand for tweaking. Dont freak out just yet. Yup. Should be...
by hurtin'albertan
Tue May 14, 2019 5:33 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One list
Replies: 245
Views: 30850

Re: One list

Sorry to all the Encore folks. Look on the bright side at least you still have a guaranteed job at mainline with flow and the top up pay which helps big time on the first two years. All in all its still not that bad when you think about it from that perspective. Your career progression is still int...
by hurtin'albertan
Tue May 14, 2019 5:28 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One list
Replies: 245
Views: 30850

Re: One list

doiwannabeapilot wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 3:14 pm
So.......Old commercial pilot was right after all ???
Uh, no.
by hurtin'albertan
Tue May 14, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One list
Replies: 245
Views: 30850

Re: One list

Thanks guys. You've really emphasized that WestJet and Encore are separate, and we're not on the same team. I can't speak for everyone, but I for one am done helping you, and I'm going to take every small opportunity I have to jab back at you. To the guys who used my jumpseat to get home on the las...
by hurtin'albertan
Mon May 06, 2019 8:58 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One list
Replies: 245
Views: 30850

Re: One list

One more thing to think about that I don't think was mentioned on the call. If you want the ability to bump and flush, that is, if there is a layoff at either company, have a system-wide bid across both to see who ends up where and who keeps their job, then you better be prepared that when there is ...
by hurtin'albertan
Mon May 06, 2019 8:35 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One list
Replies: 245
Views: 30850

Re: One list

The layoff thing was also well explained. If there are layoffs at mainline, WJ pilots get first crack at any vacancies at Encore including Capt positions, but they are not required to go there to keep their number (i.e. they can go wherever else they want and aren't "forced" to go to Encore to keep ...
by hurtin'albertan
Fri May 03, 2019 12:54 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One list
Replies: 245
Views: 30850

Re: One list

To those who are pissed off about WJ pilots not being able to bump/flush out Encore pilots if there is a layoff at mainline, you need to consider that if you want that ability, then Encore pilots will want the same thing in the event there are layoffs there. You can't have your cake and eat it too, ...
by hurtin'albertan
Thu May 02, 2019 9:18 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: China_CAAC's Merged Threads
Replies: 772
Views: 61940

Re: China_CAAC's Merged Threads

Thanks for doing all that research John.

:smt008
by hurtin'albertan
Thu May 02, 2019 9:14 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One list
Replies: 245
Views: 30850

Re: One list

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by hurtin'albertan
Thu May 02, 2019 8:44 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One list
Replies: 245
Views: 30850

Re: One list

I must admit I didn’t look at the lay-off language. Totally a one way street. WJ pilots can’t take Encore jobs during layoffs. If their on the list and can stay, while senior guys get laid off (on the same list) that sucks. This is a new change to the previous language. Now I can see the NO side. ☝...
by hurtin'albertan
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:57 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Grooming thread gone bye bye???
Replies: 9
Views: 4701

Re: Grooming thread gone bye bye???

What a joke...
by hurtin'albertan
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:47 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: China_CAAC's Merged Threads
Replies: 772
Views: 61940

Re: 2017 CIRB Single Employer decision

NCP: Pilots with no legal training practice law just as well as lawyers with no flight training fly airplanes. ( bede excluded :lol: ) LOLOL, that made me laugh hard. I don't think anyone is laughing so hard anymore. :P :P :P :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: No. The fact that you remember ...
by hurtin'albertan
Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:35 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: (32 votes cast): WPSL Poll
Replies: 55
Views: 7322

Re: (30 votes cast): WPSL Poll

Alright, that was worth the read. And thank you for the citations regarding the JAZZ LOU. I honestly did think that Wasaya prsee release would trumpet the most beneficial things they could regarding the LOU. The fact that they didn't highlight the bidding for position (base, equipment, status) seem...
by hurtin'albertan
Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:40 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: (32 votes cast): WPSL Poll
Replies: 55
Views: 7322

Re: (30 votes cast): WPSL Poll

Am I feckin' good or what? :lol: :lol: :lol: Sometimes I think you just say shit to get a rise out of people. Anyways. Thanks for the apology. I feel like you were somewhat polite enough for me to spend a few minutes more on this. You're welcome. Here’s how I understand it works today at WJ/WJE: An...
by hurtin'albertan
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:28 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: (32 votes cast): WPSL Poll
Replies: 55
Views: 7322

Re: (30 votes cast): WPSL Poll

Snap snap? Rude and arrogant.

Maybe if you ask nicely. I don't ask how high when you say jump John. Show some respect and politeness when you are asking for something. Flies and honey and all that.

It's clear you are too "apathetic" to have read Jazz lou34.
by hurtin'albertan
Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:08 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: (32 votes cast): WPSL Poll
Replies: 55
Views: 7322

Re: (30 votes cast): WPSL Poll

That would be an ad hominem attack. I would do the same thing I were you and I didn't have any response to the arguments I have posed here. I would attack the person posing the arguments because I'm not smart enough to challenge him. I get it. (You have lots of company.) John The thing is John, is ...
by hurtin'albertan
Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:21 pm
Forum: WestJet Encore
Topic: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?
Replies: 221
Views: 27083

Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

Oh come now, you can't believe that a reserved seniority list program of very temporary duration can in any way compare to the situation at WJ/WJE. For one, the former WJE pilots now at WJ have been placed on the WPSL by DOH at mainline, losing forever their claim on a different sequence on the WPS...
by hurtin'albertan
Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:26 pm
Forum: WestJet Encore
Topic: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?
Replies: 221
Views: 27083

Re: The counter-arguments:

China_CAAC_Exam wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:26 pm
1. WE KNOW YOU ARE WRONG BUT WE CAN'T SAY WHY



2. WE KNOW WE CAN DO IT BUT WE CAN'T SAY HOW
Sigh. Even when you try to get out, they pull you back in...

Jazz LOU 34 -(Pathways program). Specifically look at: 5. RESERVED SENIORITY NUMBER.
by hurtin'albertan
Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:24 am
Forum: WestJet Encore
Topic: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?
Replies: 221
Views: 27083

Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

John, You are exhausting. It's like talking to a know-it-all 8 year old. Several of us could read through all the crap you posted and poke holes in it, and then go find more crap to counter it but to what end? It truly is a waste of time and energy, especially since the answers will be forthcoming v...
by hurtin'albertan
Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:10 pm
Forum: WestJet Encore
Topic: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?
Replies: 221
Views: 27083

Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

The interim order changed the statutory freeze....that’s why it’s an interim order. The interim order has not changed the one list or flow, as you have suggested. Otherwise, it would already be changed...because it’s an interim order. The flow agreement is also in the WJE agreement, which is under ...
by hurtin'albertan
Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:24 am
Forum: WestJet Encore
Topic: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?
Replies: 221
Views: 27083

Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

Diadem , you said: Based on your own comments, there is not currently a seniority list available, and that you're waiting on Mr Kaplan to make a determination about the state of such a list; yet, in the quote above, you seem to be implying that the list is formalized and available to the MEC , and ...
by hurtin'albertan
Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:27 pm
Forum: WestJet Encore
Topic: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?
Replies: 221
Views: 27083

Re: How's morale with uncertainty of the one list?

Diadem , you said: Based on your own comments, there is not currently a seniority list available, and that you're waiting on Mr Kaplan to make a determination about the state of such a list; yet, in the quote above, you seem to be implying that the list is formalized and available to the MEC , and ...
by hurtin'albertan
Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:24 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: China_CAAC's Merged Threads
Replies: 772
Views: 61940

Re: LOU Proposal Nov 2, 2018

Has the new MEC indicated they will be presenting the LOU drafted by the previous MEC Chairman and previous Vice-Chairman to WJ management as was communicated Nov 2, 2018? Why don't you email a rep directly. As you well know ;) Avcanada is hardly the place to get accurate information about internal...

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