I don't know the details of the benefit package at Emirates but I have a friend who, years ago, had a sports injury at Etihad and was not paid anything for months while he recovered. You are a contractor so it you're not available, you're not paid. At least that's the way it worked then. I am not aw...

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The Protecting Air Service Act is a Federal statute, currently in force.
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This is incorrect. The Protecting Air Service Act is not currently in force. The Act is "spent".

Hey Flash After viewing the p4c website and the stupid parody "pilots against change" it makes me want to change my survey answers supporting junior pilots and get back to 85 hours. My initial reaction is that you guys don't deserve to be airline pilots. The senior guys that mentored me years ago w...

Looking for end results... Compare the differents contract of pilots in Canada represented by differents unions/associations. Do you see any one with a better total package (salary, working conditions, pensions, benefits ie health insurance ect). Yes there is always room for improvement but simply ...

Proof is in the pudding Disco. Jurisprudence says the arbrator will impose an MOA in arbration if one exists. NC2 never once attempted to negotiate from the MOA signed during TA1. That’s a fact. NC2 refusal to work off of TA1 left the arbitrator no, zero, zilch choice but to pick the companies prop...

Arbitrators are to be governed by several principles including the theory of replication and the theory of gradualism. That is to say, they ought to consider what they think the parties would have negotiated without 3rd party involvement. :D Disco you just outed your bias. Thank you. What you wrote...

Disco, Did NC2 follow recognized and accepted jurisprudence regarding, arbitration with a previous memorandum of agreement? The answer is no. You and I both know it. My complaint with NC2 rests completely on this fact. Most of the rest of your post I agree with. You are starting to attribute commen...

Observer, why do your unmeritorious arguments sound so familiar to me? Maybe I know who I'm talking to here. I'm sorry to advise, you don't really grasp the Age 60 Co-Captain piece of the FOS submission as I suspect we have debated before. Arbitrators are to be governed by several principles includi...

Disco, Did NC2 follow recognized and accepted jurisprudence regarding, arbitration with a previous memorandum of agreement? The answer is no. You and I both know it. My complaint with NC2 rests completely on this fact. Most of the rest of your post I agree with. You are starting to attribute commen...

You have uttered so many inaccuracies that I simply won't bother to deal with all of them. But this one is a real doozy: "Also, remember that the TA secured the EMJ175 at mainline. Tony was the scope guy but the arbitrator found his arguments “provided no persuasive explanation for why the TA was no...

Fan blade, your central premise continues to be that NC2 ignored legal advice and were the cause of massive concessions. You claim 250 mil. Both of those assertions are patently wrong. NC2 followed their legal advice that they had to make their submission as close to the failed TA as possible. You h...

Take it from me- you have several pieces of this factually incorrect. Pivotal pieces that you have reconfigured to suit your opinion. I just dont have the energy to keep duking this out with the uninformed over and over again. Face it....you don't have this as solidly as you purport. I trust that m...

The DB proposal in the TA had a sunshine clause that if the Pension was fully funded at a certain date then the concessions would be restored. That would have happened. The TA had rouge included into the pay groups. Instead we got $117/hr for L767 captains in FOS. The course rights were from Tony a...

The DB proposal in the TA had a sunshine clause that if the Pension was fully funded at a certain date then the concessions would be restored. That would have happened. The TA had rouge included into the pay groups. Instead we got $117/hr for L767 captains in FOS. The course rights were from Tony a...

Take it from me- you have several pieces of this factually incorrect. Pivotal pieces that you have reconfigured to suit your opinion. I just dont have the energy to keep duking this out with the uninformed over and over again. Face it....you don't have this as solidly as you purport. I trust that mo...

You’re missing the point. Tony, Mike and the rest of their negotiating committee ignored the advice of Buzz Hargrove! They also ignored the advice of lots of other experts including the Pension Committee. That’s why we ended up with FOS and a contract that was the original TA but one year longer an...

Counterpoint, you remain very confused by specific details from the FTA and I am now clear that you were not directly connected to bargaining as some here have suggested. Your complete confusion in several areas is proof enough....I'm guessing you are a recent hire - as in within the last 2 years. Y...

Everything to do with ACPA! Read the SPC report on the ACPA website. If you don't believe it then wait until the external review is completed. It had far more to do with adopting and staying with a losing strategy than with government interference. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequatel...

[quote="Counterpoint"]Disco, "I am also rather sure the author wasn't provided with the comprehensive working group document that outlined bargaining protocols, control points etc because we followed it to the letter with full transparency and it it's completely in conflict with this "report". " I'm...

The "report" was authored by someone who was never present ONCE In any negotiations activity and spent most of his time talking to his contact in management. It is horribly inaccurate in many places and the author did not consult one person from NC2 and its becoming quite possible - the MEC. Based o...

Fanblade, believe me - I am keenly aware of what a waste of time this debate is. I truly have many more important things happening in my life. You have grabbed onto someone else's story loaded in untruth and revisionist history and little tidbits that are being used totally out of context or are bei...

Fanblade, I am sorry but you are extremely misinformed and way off base. You are either running with completely false info (much of which I am rather aware of the source and have heard several times before) or you are grossly disingenuous. I believe the former to be likely. I doubt you could really ...

That FOS submission was a colossal mistake. By far the biggest mistake throughout the last three years. We are darn lucky we didn't lose more. How it got through LRD, legal and the MEC is unfathomable. This one thing alone should make us all pause and reflect. . I'm sensing a serious misunderstandi...

Its not ACPA that is flawed. It is the leaders we elected. Soapbox politicians with no experience who ignored the advise of lawyers, professional negotiators, committee chairs, and even old unionists like Buzz Hargrove. Then they blamed their failure on conspiracies!. Some of the lamest tripe on he...

The whole ordeal was/is utterly nauseating. People who blame the Unions for Air Canada's financial problems have their heads up their ass. You are quite right. Many of those asses with heads up them are regulars on this site. It's painful to watch the misinformed spouting off and likely confusing m...