Well if starting FO for AC is: 41000, 45000, 52000, 58000

How do people move to Toronto and live on these wages? What do you do with your families? Send them to live with your in-laws? Can you get a loan from a bank to live off of if you show them that one day you will make decent money?

If rain on the windshield was causing refraction error and making them appear higher than they were would the GPWS be letting them know they are too low?

Having to carry the extra fuel decreases the freight load and when you charge by the pound or kilogram, that extra fuel your carrying is your profit. I hope the TSB flipped the master on and checked what's in the tanks vs. what's written down on paper. I imagine there might be quite a bit more on b...

Weather reported in Big Trout Lake (CYTL) when they took off: METAR CYTL 171700Z AUTO 02006KT 320V060 3/4SM -SN BKN006 BKN011 OVC024 M01/M02 A2983 RMK SLP119= SPECI CYTL 171619Z AUTO 00000KT 5/8SM -SN BKN006 OVC016 M02/M03 A2983 RMK SLP117= METAR CYTL 171600Z AUTO VRB02KT 5/8SM -SN OVC016 M02/M03 A2...

Well Surfer obviously you have never been to Pickle cause you keep talking about trees off the end of 27. The only thing off the end is a big drop off down to the lake. You could run off the end of the runway with a 3 and just keep going until the ground disappears below you. No obstacles to clear!...

Perhaps they traded airspeed for altitude to clear those trees: -taxi out to 27 because it's closer and you save 1 minute -start takeoff roll uphill and with a (small) tailwind -lose engine -have no idea if you are going to be able to stop because TC waivered your balanced field calculations -rememb...

There's not. There are trees 300 feet off the end it says. Does 704 with less than 9 even need ASDA though?

The wind probably was no factor but what I was getting at was the uphill. Why take that performance hit when it's not into wind?

I don't see why they would takeoff uphill with a tailwind.

Looks like they flew right over town of that was the case. Glad they made the lake.

valleyboy wrote:any other questions

Which runway did they takeoff from?

Does anyone know what lake that is that it's resting on? I assume they took off on runway 09 because it was more into wind and according to the CFS there is a fairly steep grade going up runway 27. But I don't see any lakes close to the departure end of 09. Unless they took off and made a hard left ...

Oh my mistake, is it not a 705 aircraft? I believe that they are operating on an exemption to allow them to operate under 704. They also have prevented more than 9 passenger seats from being occupied (assuming the cargo config) so takeoff alternate must be within 60 minutes at normal cruise speed. ...

Oh my mistake, is it not a 705 aircraft?

What's the rule for taking off below landing minima? A takeoff alternate within 60 minutes on single engine? I don't think YRL would have worked as an alternate as it was low there also with the following forecast: TAF AMD CYRL 171404Z 1714/1802 15007KT 3/4SM -SHSN VV005 TEMPO 1714/1718 2SM -SN OVC0...

They probably get paid by the flight hour. Doing less just means you are going to get paid less.

That's why I initially suspected CFIT. Especially considering the weather conditions. Mechanical reasons I can think of could include fuel starvation/contamination, and an engine failure with a propeller feathering failure. What else could there be? If the gear failed to extend through normal and em...

If it was an intentional forced landing would you leave the gear up on a snow covered lake? Could prevent flipping over.

CYPL 171700Z 15005KT 3/4SM -SN VV006 M02/M03 A2978 RMK SN8 SLP107 CYPL 171734Z 14007KT 3/4SM -SN VV005 M01/M03 A2978 RMK SN8 SLP106 CYPL 171800Z 15006KT 5/8SM -SN VV005 M01/M03 A2977 RMK SN8 /S05/ SLP105 Could be white out. Looks like some low vis at the time. Definitely well below any advisory vis ...

Jet Jockey wrote:So how come the A/P is allowed by TC to dip under while if you are hand flying the aircraft you are not allowed?

I'm curious where TC says it's allowed to descend below minimums if you are on autopilot?

Sobering though that something as everyday as rain could almost bring down a 737. Stay safe out there.

That's terrible. Those are very brave men that do a dangerous job.