alkaseltzer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:33 pm
The parents should be charged and at the minimum, served with a heavy fine.

As in Criminally? With what crime -- talking to the media? and what is your proposed sentence? Flogging? Singing "we are family" in a westjet TV Ad?

Hi All, I am new to this forum and by going through and reading the posts I have learnt more than what I could by surfing google. Many things have come as a shock such as: 1) The wage, living condition for starting out or pilots graduated with a CPL is very very low. Compare this with the following...

However, I am just going to weigh in on this analogy because there is a sizable flaw or two in it. You need to add a couple of things to your steakhouse narrative. First thing you need to add is that the other restaurant patrons start yelling at the wait staff and the police when they arrive. So, t...

So is having a job -- and paying customers, too. They weren't paying customers. They were on buddy passes. This is the kind of crap that results in the buddy pass system getting cancelled. Absolutely pathetic. I like Bede how you express your time is so valuable that your $80 per hour freelance ins...

Not being a commercial pilot, the analogy I see is this -- the paying passenger point of view -- remember the customer in all of this discussion? I'm sitting down to dinner at a nice steakhouse with my family. It's the only one in town. Myself and 200 other guests are just having their dinners put i...

Bede wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:26 pm

rookiepilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:18 pm So is having a job -- and paying customers, too.

They weren't paying customers. They were on buddy passes. This is the kind of crap that results in the buddy pass system getting cancelled. Absolutely pathetic.

The rest of the pax were most likely paying customers.

780Pilot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:51 pm Air travel is a privilege not a right.

So is having a job -- and paying customers, too.

A professionally trained flight crew is paid to deal with difficult situations-- professionally, no?

altiplano wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:45 am Why even bring up the employee pass thing though? Do they think it will turn public opinion against these people more?

To shame them, it sure looks like.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/westjet-flight-cancelled-mask-1.5716636 Read the whole thing. WJ doesn't look that great....but who knows of course. Couple highlights: "But WestJet said the accounts from the crew and airline agents differ from Choudhry's. "WestJet would like to clarify that t...

Thanks everyone.
The kind words are appreciated.

This accident was profoundly preventable. Insurance should be there for accidents which are much less preventable. Though this pilot meant no malice to our industry, non the less, he was unable to manage an entirely manageable situation, and we will all see an insurance rise because of that. Happil...

Too bad there was no video of the passengers freaking out. Oh, and of the fuel truck driver's face before impact. The pilot's too. Let's put it on YouTube. Then we, and the public, could all have a good laugh / mock them, all in the guise of "educational reporting". Isn't that what it's all about? :...

Whoever had this video released it to the media as well. Still pure educational motives at play? Interesting video, but one wonders. Did this have the pilots permission to be released? How old was he? I disagree with the constant reality TV part of the media reporting people's public meltdowns on co...

How does a video like this end up on youtube? Does Canadian Flyers put cameras in their planes or is this his own? I was wondering that too. Of course education from this is one thing. Some joyously get themselves off by internet shaming of others. It's apparently a fun hobby these days. High schoo...

I’m sure we agree that demolishing a hangar with a 172 does little to encourage a reversal of that trend! :shock: My point is there is always consequences to policy. Sorry for thread drift. Everyone wants interest rates low forever -- or negative-- but are surprised when banks don't want to lend (t...

photofly wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:01 am Interest rates have been low since 2008, but my premium went up 35% this year, and that was an unusually low hike.

There is a long term cumulative effect. The entire insurance industry has pulled back sharply in the last year or 2.

I’m afraid if you’ve tried to get aircraft insurance this year and noticed the 30% to 60% rise in premiums for piston singles because of very high claims, you might feel less dismissive about this accident. That is not (only) why premiums are higher across the insurance industry. Read about them re...

rookiepilot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:03 am Not likely to buff out.

Agree. It's not funny at all. I regret this comment. I hope he is ok mentally as well.

You were in no way at fault here Rookiepilot and could not have changed the outcome of the incident in any way. What hasn't been addressed here though is the uncomfortable fact that pilots actually do make mistakes all the time and that we need to recognize and accept that. The vast majority have l...

Some things are within our control, some are not. Even if you had closely inspected that fork, it seems unlikely you would have seen anything. This accident is down to bad luck and not something you could have reasonably prevented. Sometimes thing just break. It sounds like you did the best that co...