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by cloak
Wed May 06, 2020 4:22 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: WS/WO Layoff Mitigation Agreement
Replies: 95
Views: 36068

Re: WS/WO Layoff Mitigation Agreement

Let's hope things get back to normal-ish by the end of the summer so we're not faced with more potential lay-offs if there isn't an extension of this MOA2. An extension of this MOA2?? How about hoping the other 450 of your coworkers start to get called back. I know it will be tough but dont forget ...
by cloak
Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:18 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

Hi Cloak, you should talk to a rep. The company sees opportunity in this crisis. Their bargaining positioning was on the lines of: 1. Gutting scope, larger Jets at Encore; 2. ESP removed until their discretion; 3. Compensation reductions; 4. Layoff pay concessions; 5. Recall out of seniority. No wo...
by cloak
Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:30 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

The radio silence shows disrespect for the 700 pilots who will be laid-off by week's end, and the other 1000 who will follow, not only to fail to mitigate lay-offs but also to fail to transparently, timely and professionally communicate the facts. Much less would ordinarily cause a recall. Experienc...
by cloak
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:58 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

We didn’t see the offer because it was laughable. The NC sees it, laughs, then counters. At the end of the day the offer might have moved from laughable to merely insulting. Talks are over now as they should be. And yes the NC is getting praise for listening to the pilot group and not giving away t...
by cloak
Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:19 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 365
Views: 59165

Re: One List

It's amusing all three parties signed on to the scheme with different expectations and aspirations, none of which have come to fruition!
by cloak
Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:15 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

I think the short term concession MMG of 55 or even 50 would have been given for a longer MOA pretty easily, I could see differing the ESP until certain metrics are met by the company.... Under the circumstances likely most agree, so the question remains why the union has not communicated the offer...
by cloak
Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:18 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

ALPA... Why is anybody shocked? They did what they always do. Protect the upper seniority pilots and sell out the junior ones. This is just a very extreme example. 1700 extreme which in my opinion is probably at least 600 more than it should have been considering the range initially presented was 5...
by cloak
Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:09 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

80ktszzz wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:36 pm Question, if the WAWCON at Swoop is so bad did anyone from mainline take the seats from the results of the PSB? Just wondering.....
Apparently quite a few, including association members that fought Swoop, which is ironic and shows the realities of life are not always idealistic!
by cloak
Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:08 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

Wouldn’t it be great if our MEC would actually communicate some of this information to its membership!!! Indeed, very good point! If truly the offer by the company was so bad, the MEC could easily share it to garner more understanding and support. Logic would dictate otherwise. In truth, the MEC ha...
by cloak
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:43 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

...Seriously guys... I have an open mind here. Given the scale and scope of this disruption to our industry, why is 0 concessions for maximum layoffs a good thing that you're in favour of?... The short answer, it is not. Given the scale of reduction seen worldwide, it would be unwise to "hold the l...
by cloak
Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:54 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

Using clichés like "hold the line", "stick it to them" are not negotiation and don't work at all under the current environment and are to the detriment of the pilot group because one supposedly "holds the line" against foreign enemies entering one's home; these are discussions and negotiations among...
by cloak
Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:13 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

Actually, the MEC was capable of saving 1000 pilot jobs. However, the MEC is responsive to the membership and the membership clearly did not want to make concessions and therefore there was no deal. You can't "Hold the Line" while at the same time caving to the company's demands to save jobs. Are p...
by cloak
Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:53 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

Apparently certain unions would not allow the pilots to make accommodations by accepting reduced hours (for a period), and hopefully this is not the case here where ALPA for instance would not allow the MEC to entertain certain proposals.
by cloak
Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:46 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 365
Views: 59165

Re: One List

Due to a desire to change jobs back in late 2019, I thought I might start applying at WJ. The Onelist thing had fallen through. Seemed like a good place to work. Then all of a sudden, Onelist. Instead of anybody coming into WJ mainline from the outside starting at the bottom, which seemed fair, all...
by cloak
Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:33 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: A "NEW" One List?
Replies: 133
Views: 24308

Re: A "NEW" One List?

Well those who were upset about Encore making concessions, must be right happy now that the mainline MEC wasn't able to save a single job. Those top ~500 guys can now continue making 150-200K +ESP while the rest get laid off. Your disappointment is understandable. This is an unprecedented challenge...
by cloak
Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:21 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 365
Views: 59165

Re: One List

The only practical option is for WJ to close Encore and place the Q400's into the WJ fleet. +1. And may very well happen. With all due respect, that will not change the challenge presented by current conditions. The challenge right now is not unique to WestJet or even airline industry. It's global....
by cloak
Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:52 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 365
Views: 59165

Re: One List

Plus it puts WestJet group at substantial financial disadvantage to say Air Canada group. It is idealistic to think WestJet is going to rewrite labour structure and in the process increase its costs so much that puts its longevity in question. It can't do something substantially more expensive than ...
by cloak
Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:02 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 365
Views: 59165

Re: One List

And how about the myriad of regionals Air Canada possess?!
Uniting pilots nationally under one umbrella is a herculean task that is not possible with competing airlines.
by cloak
Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:57 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 365
Views: 59165

Re: One List

Interesting proposition, however unless there is a national organization completely different from current unions, one that is more involved with the profession and resembles college of doctors, nurses or lawyers, these challenges will continue. And personally I can't see how that would work with mu...
by cloak
Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:12 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 365
Views: 59165

Re: One List

h angry that's a very naive and idealistic sentiment, one that is not founded in realities of the world. I recall a CUPE rep saying the same thing during Canada 3000 bankruptcy. He also said: "my mortgage is paid off, if the company cannot follow the CBA I could care less if it goes bankrupt"! Which...

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