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by cloak
Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:05 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Swoop Terrain Warning
Replies: 76
Views: 9873

Re: Swoop Terrain Warning

Wow, this thread is so unprofessional-not to mention possibly exposing this site legally-to have started so recklessly based on a conversation just heard on the radio! And to be continued by others. Imagine the possible posts after the Transat glider, or Air Canada crash in YHZ or near miss in SFO, ...
by cloak
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:31 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

Well, this is the magic of the PTA, it doesn't actually have to happen, but have the illusion that it will at some point, to be effective recruitment tool and also contain labour costs. And for the young aspiring cadets, there is an attraction to come to WestJet group of companies, pass probation, j...
by cloak
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:35 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

To be fair, this was well played by management and will make a good case study for managing labour relation in universities. First dodging dividends, now controlled labour costs for foreseeable future, it is a good start for Onex, one handed over by pilots union itself. For Encore, this may seem lik...
by cloak
Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:37 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

So what you are saying is; WJ is going to give RJ's to Encore, the company that has "hard landed" 3, or is it 4, Dash 8's. OR; Subcontract the worst 705 operator in Canada to fly RJ's. What could possibly go wrong with that plan? In a day or two it won't matter as the vote will close and the issue ...
by cloak
Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

... If Onex or a different new owner want RJ's at Encore that will happen whether there is a PTA in place or not. There will be regional feed into the WestJet network with or without the PTA, with or without Encore being owned by the WestJet group of companies. So, in your view of the world what ha...
by cloak
Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:58 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

Didn't realize brevity was a requirement for this board! One of the biggest complaints with the last One List vote was that there were no bump down provisions for lay-offs. Now we have them. Maybe the cash for stock options isn't good enough for you for a PTA, but we won't get a higher cash value f...
by cloak
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:59 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

You sound a lot like an Encore pilot that also likes long posts! I'll try to be brief. Firstly, if you want to debate, never mind others' motives, argue for your points and perspective, no use attacking others. People often find things to complain about and threaten to quit, etc. But they will calm ...
by cloak
Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:31 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

One list + 100% flow is a great idea, anything less than 100% flow is going to all but guarantee future strife... Bingo! That is exactly it. Anything less than 100% flow is bound to create problems. That is why the one list doesn't work. Flow to BOTL is the only way, which by the way also works wit...
by cloak
Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:28 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

That's not the way he wants it to work. He's trying to say that we should all get on our knees and work our asses off, then come to mainline as an OTS pilot with five times as much experience as the current OTS hires. I don't know how old you are or how much flying experience, or life experience fo...
by cloak
Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

...It's not industry standard, I 100% agree. But it's time to evolve. The industry standard has been crap for many decades and nobody has ever been happy with it. Let's change this. The only reason it's a mess right now is because some guys are trying to step on the others using weak arguments... T...
by cloak
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:41 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

I believe that this issue requires a fresh approach. The reasons for which Encore was created as a separate company have not changed, perhaps even strengthened with Onex. And being two separate companies and bargaining units, and the challenges and divergence of the recruitments will make reserved s...
by cloak
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

In spite of all the noise about doom and gloom and shortage at Encore, according to the MEC the numbers that went from there to AC or WJ/WO to AC are about the same. Pilots will ultimately go where they like and the one list is not the panacea to pilot shortage.
by cloak
Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:05 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

Then the MEC should share the results of that "survey". The MEC cannot possibly "stand by the pilots' decision", and "continue to negotiate" on its own agenda at the same time! In its emails, it continually contradicts itself. The MEC must serve the membership, not the other way around! Are you daf...
by cloak
Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:03 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

The one list was voted down by the group. Is it not the unions job to move in the direction that the group voted for? Was the vote just for show? If the union can't support the group on this issue how will they support on other issues? Surveys! Surveys! Surveys! The surveys after the failure of the...
by cloak
Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:23 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

...I'm glad you said that Encore pilots come across as entitled. This is rhetoric that has been used before, and will no doubt continue to be used. If one applies for a job, and during the interview they are offered a different job, but it exists in writing that said job contributes to seniority fo...
by cloak
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:13 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

altiplano, since you seem so eager to contribute, what are your thoughts on the subject and why did ACPA fight and defeat it? These guys don’t know what was going on 20 yrs ago Cloak. The majority of them were still pissing the bed. 🤣 I suspect you might be right and a lot of the contributors are v...
by cloak
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:04 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

altiplano, since you seem so eager to contribute, what are your thoughts on the subject and why did ACPA fight and defeat it?
by cloak
Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

It would be interesting to see that survey by which the MEC created a mandate for itself to renegotiate the one list right after the first vote when it said specifically it wouldn't. Of course it said it to bear pressure on the pilots to pass it. Then it said the pilots "failed" to pass the resolut...
by cloak
Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

It would be interesting to see that survey by which the MEC created a mandate for itself to renegotiate the one list right after the first vote when it said specifically it wouldn't. Of course it said it to bear pressure on the pilots to pass it. Then it said the pilots "failed" to pass the resolut...
by cloak
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:38 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

It would be interesting to see that survey by which the MEC created a mandate for itself to renegotiate the one list right after the first vote when it said specifically it wouldn't. Of course it said it to bear pressure on the pilots to pass it. Then it said the pilots "failed" to pass the resoluti...
by cloak
Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:41 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

...The Encore pilots who are angry with the mainline pilots need to redirect their anger to where it belongs...the company and the MEC’s who forever what reason changed the one list wording. Now that so much time has gone past without rectifying the list and many have been hired this is only going ...
by cloak
Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:49 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

No likely it won't; likely there will be more fall-out too. Likely that puts pressure on WAWCON everywhere...
by cloak
Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:16 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

In other words, no good reasons to offer, only more rude comments or emotional retorts.
by cloak
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:20 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

That's fine, however it could be argued that it is a personal choice and pilots can go to WestJet directly, or Encore, Link or other regionals WestJet may start and flow from there, but to the BOTL. It can be appreciated that there's no good reason for WestJet pilots to leverage their seniority to r...
by cloak
Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:12 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: One List
Replies: 314
Views: 37903

Re: One List

It would be incorrect and unfair to blame the WestJet pilot group for the failure of the one list. In fact it could be argued that the one list was started by them to compensate for poor initial conditions at Encore. It could also be argued that had the initial WAWCON at Encore was in line with the ...

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