Let's hope things get back to normal-ish by the end of the summer so we're not faced with more potential lay-offs if there isn't an extension of this MOA2. An extension of this MOA2?? How about hoping the other 450 of your coworkers start to get called back. I know it will be tough but dont forget ...

Hi Cloak, you should talk to a rep. The company sees opportunity in this crisis. Their bargaining positioning was on the lines of: 1. Gutting scope, larger Jets at Encore; 2. ESP removed until their discretion; 3. Compensation reductions; 4. Layoff pay concessions; 5. Recall out of seniority. No wo...

The radio silence shows disrespect for the 700 pilots who will be laid-off by week's end, and the other 1000 who will follow, not only to fail to mitigate lay-offs but also to fail to transparently, timely and professionally communicate the facts. Much less would ordinarily cause a recall. Experienc...

We didn’t see the offer because it was laughable. The NC sees it, laughs, then counters. At the end of the day the offer might have moved from laughable to merely insulting. Talks are over now as they should be. And yes the NC is getting praise for listening to the pilot group and not giving away t...

It's amusing all three parties signed on to the scheme with different expectations and aspirations, none of which have come to fruition!

I think the short term concession MMG of 55 or even 50 would have been given for a longer MOA pretty easily, I could see differing the ESP until certain metrics are met by the company.... Under the circumstances likely most agree, so the question remains why the union has not communicated the offer...

ALPA... Why is anybody shocked? They did what they always do. Protect the upper seniority pilots and sell out the junior ones. This is just a very extreme example. 1700 extreme which in my opinion is probably at least 600 more than it should have been considering the range initially presented was 5...

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Question, if the WAWCON at Swoop is so bad did anyone from mainline take the seats from the results of the PSB? Just wondering.....

Apparently quite a few, including association members that fought Swoop, which is ironic and shows the realities of life are not always idealistic!

Wouldn’t it be great if our MEC would actually communicate some of this information to its membership!!! Indeed, very good point! If truly the offer by the company was so bad, the MEC could easily share it to garner more understanding and support. Logic would dictate otherwise. In truth, the MEC ha...

...Seriously guys... I have an open mind here. Given the scale and scope of this disruption to our industry, why is 0 concessions for maximum layoffs a good thing that you're in favour of?... The short answer, it is not. Given the scale of reduction seen worldwide, it would be unwise to "hold the l...

Using clichés like "hold the line", "stick it to them" are not negotiation and don't work at all under the current environment and are to the detriment of the pilot group because one supposedly "holds the line" against foreign enemies entering one's home; these are discussions and negotiations among...

Actually, the MEC was capable of saving 1000 pilot jobs. However, the MEC is responsive to the membership and the membership clearly did not want to make concessions and therefore there was no deal. You can't "Hold the Line" while at the same time caving to the company's demands to save jobs. Are p...

Apparently certain unions would not allow the pilots to make accommodations by accepting reduced hours (for a period), and hopefully this is not the case here where ALPA for instance would not allow the MEC to entertain certain proposals.

Due to a desire to change jobs back in late 2019, I thought I might start applying at WJ. The Onelist thing had fallen through. Seemed like a good place to work. Then all of a sudden, Onelist. Instead of anybody coming into WJ mainline from the outside starting at the bottom, which seemed fair, all...

Well those who were upset about Encore making concessions, must be right happy now that the mainline MEC wasn't able to save a single job. Those top ~500 guys can now continue making 150-200K +ESP while the rest get laid off. Your disappointment is understandable. This is an unprecedented challenge...

The only practical option is for WJ to close Encore and place the Q400's into the WJ fleet. +1. And may very well happen. With all due respect, that will not change the challenge presented by current conditions. The challenge right now is not unique to WestJet or even airline industry. It's global....

Plus it puts WestJet group at substantial financial disadvantage to say Air Canada group. It is idealistic to think WestJet is going to rewrite labour structure and in the process increase its costs so much that puts its longevity in question. It can't do something substantially more expensive than ...

And how about the myriad of regionals Air Canada possess?!
Uniting pilots nationally under one umbrella is a herculean task that is not possible with competing airlines.

Interesting proposition, however unless there is a national organization completely different from current unions, one that is more involved with the profession and resembles college of doctors, nurses or lawyers, these challenges will continue. And personally I can't see how that would work with mu...

h angry that's a very naive and idealistic sentiment, one that is not founded in realities of the world. I recall a CUPE rep saying the same thing during Canada 3000 bankruptcy. He also said: "my mortgage is paid off, if the company cannot follow the CBA I could care less if it goes bankrupt"! Which...

Wow!

ALPApolicy, good observations. Although It's not Encore MEC's fault if another bargaining unit is not as quick to protect its members. Right after April MOA, work should have begun on mitigating layoffs consistent with the pattern not only in aviation, as with U.S and overseas carriers, but all indu...

What method(s) are being explored to mitigate lay-offs?

[*]I’ll put my money on the lowest cost producer in a commodity business, especially one with critical mass, every time. I continue to do so. WJ continues to be a significantly lower cost producer of asm’s than AC.... WestJet or Swoop? Flair and other newcomers seem to marvel a market without Swoop...

Supposedly perspectives can be very different depending on one's position in the industry. Like the stock market; those already invested hope and say the effect is going to subside soon and those wanting to get in hope and say that it is bound to go down more! I suppose it's human nature. Whether pe...