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by cloak
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:15 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: WestJet Sunwing merger and seniority
Replies: 161
Views: 29693

Re: WestJet Sunwing merger and seniority

well in my opinion..... Everyone holds what there seniority number can hold period. Merge DOH is fine but NO ONE out of seniority! We did this already with swoop and we all know how that went. Likely it will be pretty close to this as precedent has been set with Swoop. Although SW pilots will be be...
by cloak
Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:15 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Is this a legitimate scenario?????
Replies: 31
Views: 6925

Re: Is this a legitimate scenario?????

Definitely the minority. While I don't condone those remarks, gotta remember that the wounds from Swoop are still very fresh. Lots of WJ pilots had their upgrades delayed while watching junior pilots take the much lower paying Swoop Captain position.. Nonetheless, please don't let a few remarks fro...
by cloak
Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:14 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Is this a legitimate scenario?????
Replies: 31
Views: 6925

Re: Is this a legitimate scenario?????

How about dancing? That would be the happiest occasions! This certainly is a mediocre contract with gains equal or less than inflation, and scheduling at WestJet is the best in the country, however none of those change the fact that WestJet has a very long upgrade. In fact it could be argued that th...
by cloak
Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:20 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Is this a legitimate scenario?????
Replies: 31
Views: 6925

Re: Is this a legitimate scenario?????

With the Westjet and Sunwing merger coming is it legitimate for people who want to work for WestJet go to Sunwing now? The Sunwing upgrade is basically as soon as you meet the min requirements while WestJet is still 10+ years. When the merger happens don’t Captains get protected? So basically In th...
by cloak
Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:02 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: AIP is dogshit
Replies: 149
Views: 29662

Re: AIP is dogshit

The contract is done, with high approval rate, largely to do with the demise of Swoop. For all its faults, "the fighter brand" as they liked to call it!, had established itself and seemingly succeeded in guarding the rear and limiting competitors' growth. And time will tell the merits of this contra...
by cloak
Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:18 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Meanwhile in 'Merica
Replies: 64
Views: 11139

Re: Meanwhile in 'Merica

Lol, my reading comprehension is fine. You wrote some BS about strikes being ineffective and some simple broad statement about people changing things. Yeah we're dealing tyrant stock holders instead. Someone posted that you're a Swoop DEC in the Sunwing forum? If so, that explains your anti alpa bi...
by cloak
Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:08 pm
Forum: Sunwing
Topic: WestJet purchase approval rational.
Replies: 20
Views: 5786

Re: WestJet purchase approval rational.

To most, a forum is a public place for exchanging ideas, learning something or perhaps hearing some news. To others, it seems to be more about defending a narrative at all costs. And when they can't defend it based on merit, they attack others indirectly by trying to place them in a "box" and then t...
by cloak
Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:36 am
Forum: Flair Airlines
Topic: ground schools canceled
Replies: 169
Views: 46292

Re: ground schools canceled

@MKflair, I certainly don't want flair to go under, but come-on man, a bit of critical thinking wouldn't hurt. Quoting a statement of claim (which has not been proven in court) is pretty meaningless. Pleadings are always the most one-sided version of events that you will get. It's been reported by ...
by cloak
Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:29 am
Forum: Sunwing
Topic: WestJet purchase approval rational.
Replies: 20
Views: 5786

Re: WestJet purchase approval rational.

They can discuss it but there very rarely is a bump and flush. Way too expensive. ...And perhaps illegal! Undoubtedly an arbitrated list. There is almost a ZERO chance than an arbitration panel will include bump and flush in an award. I would agree. How does ALPA Canada view the MEC's current strat...
by cloak
Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:25 pm
Forum: Sunwing
Topic: WestJet purchase approval rational.
Replies: 20
Views: 5786

Re: WestJet purchase approval rational.

TFTMB heavy wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:02 pm They can discuss it but there very rarely is a bump and flush. Way too expensive.
...And perhaps illegal!
by cloak
Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:16 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Meanwhile in 'Merica
Replies: 64
Views: 11139

Re: Meanwhile in 'Merica

I believe during previous negotiations the union agreed to abandon strike ambitions in return for company voluntarily ceding Swoop representation to the same bargaining unit and both agreed to binding arbitration. Some seem to assume that a strike is the panacea to all their ills and life will gran...
by cloak
Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:06 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Recruiting Video
Replies: 149
Views: 21170

Re: Recruiting Video

The majority might not make the best choice, but you do seem to have a desire that favours the management side. You've made many arguments on the cost and revenue at WestJet and how the company can't afford to pay the pilots more. Air Transat's pay for the 321 is 16-26% higher than the current West...
by cloak
Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:53 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Westjet Encore merger?
Replies: 12
Views: 3120

Re: Westjet Encore merger?

pirep wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:31 pm They're more likely to spin off encore to pasco or cma then merge it
This is more likely, plus add Porter. Selling it to Porter unlocks some value, builds some synergy, and seems to coincide with closing YYZ base.
by cloak
Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:55 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Meanwhile in 'Merica
Replies: 64
Views: 11139

Re: Meanwhile in 'Merica

I believe during previous negotiations the union agreed to abandon strike ambitions in return for company voluntarily ceding Swoop representation to the same bargaining unit and both agreed to binding arbitration. Some seem to assume that a strike is the panacea to all their ills and life will grand...
by cloak
Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:37 am
Forum: Sunwing
Topic: WestJet purchase approval rational.
Replies: 20
Views: 5786

Re: WestJet purchase approval rational.

With the approval done, things will slowly fall into place. Naturally, this can happen a number of ways based on resources, market conditions and resistance vs. cooperation received from employee groups, and the company will most likely have multiple plans they can put in place. The few conditions p...
by cloak
Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:21 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Recruiting Video
Replies: 149
Views: 21170

Re: Recruiting Video

I never claimed to have the pulse of the entire pilot group, many others seem to do that! The majority is not always right though, remember that!
by cloak
Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:17 am
Forum: Air Transat
Topic: Is Onex sniffing around?
Replies: 37
Views: 6952

Re: Is Onex sniffing around?

There have been speculations about this for some time, and it does present some benefits. WestJet which now has better access to the Quebec market, will have even better access and gain nearly 20% presence in the Atlantic market. Concerns of the Competition Bureau will likely not be as many as they ...
by cloak
Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:55 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Meanwhile in 'Merica
Replies: 64
Views: 11139

Re: Meanwhile in 'Merica

In my opinion, WestJet has never been just another "regular" airline if that makes any sense, with unique compensation and culture. I believe this is partly why the ALPA transition hasn't fully worked in its favor (yet). Perhaps still its approach ought to be unique and something that fits IT as opp...
by cloak
Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:37 am
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Recruiting Video
Replies: 149
Views: 21170

Re: Recruiting Video

Those at WestJet already know that the original compensation model, which was very creative and very impressive, no longer works as completely as before the buy-out and needs to be improved. That's not in question. What's in question is the benefit of this video made by MEC, if any, towards that goa...
by cloak
Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:06 pm
Forum: WestJet
Topic: Recruiting Video
Replies: 149
Views: 21170

Re: Recruiting Video

LOL, it must be a pretty balanced message if the messenger is thought to be senior, junior, outsider, and a manager all at the same time! At any rate, senior or junior, it's not the messenger, rather the message that counts. And the message is this: diplomacy is needed to build consensus, coming fro...

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