Oh. It just seemed so unlikely that two Canadian air carriers could have had an inflight turnback involving Hawaii. When I saw the thing on PPrune I felt sure that's what he was thinking about.

BTW RB211, be ya a 75 kinda guy?

an autoland was your only option like when you're playing "I bet I can chop your hands off" with a flight attendant and losing, only to then learn your first officer had earlier lost as well. Addendum: A little cheeky humour...seriously though, if you think of all of the hydraulic and electrical an...

Ahhhh C'mon Pika, if you're going to go fishing for shit with just provocative headlines a la National Enquirer, why don't you at least give us something baby, just a friggin' morsel of info that lets us believe you're more than what you let the world see... I mean, you could tell us you checked her...

Thanks for the info Rebel. I see as well that someone started a thread under the Tech section of PPrune, on this very matter. Similar comments to yours are posted there. BTW, for those interested, SunWing's FOM (737-800) has the same restrictions I mentioned above, and the same verbiage in their FOM...

I'll leave the discussion now my friend Pika. Suffice it to say, if you fly professionally you'd understand what "Authorized" means w.r.t the above statements. (No Cat 1 ILS Autolands for the NG.)

Happy manual landings

Your FOM quote does not explicitly state that you cannot do an autoland from a CAT I ILS. The comment about unsatisfactory signal from a Cat 1 ILS is meant to give background as to why an AUTOLAND is unacceptable. It does not open up the possibility of actually doing an AUTOLAND. The more appropria...

Agreed PIKA. I guess I was referring to specifically the YHZ wx conditions at the time. In that case, AUTOLAND was not an option. EDIT: I'd add the following to my above comments after checking the relevant FOM. "Autoland is AUTHORIZED for CAT 2 or CAT 3 ILS facilities. Cat 1 ILS signal may not be s...

Nope.

According to Clint23's posting above, the incident occurred on RWY 14 in YHZ, which is a CAT 1 ILS runway, therefore, AUTOLAND not an option (it has to be a CAT 2 or CAT 3 runway for autoland).


Podus Grandus

Yes you are correct CAT 3 autoland due to the trim bias I check your response. Only point I'd add is that the CAT 3 Autoland requirement has nothing to do with a trim bias. It's actually driven by the fact that the DH is 50 ft or less with an RVR of 600 ft or less. On the Airbus family of products,...

Actually snowmonkey, whether a visual approach is handflown or autopilot flown is purely pilot preference. Personally I usually keep the autopilot engaged until on final and stable on a 3 degree profile. Unless I'm up to my ass... As well, a CAT 3 approach is definitely an autoland. (No FLARE---Go A...