I know three who left Jazz with under approx 2000 hours and less than a year with the company, one less than 6. First it was 1000hrs, then 1500 now just under 2000. Do I hear 2500? Seriously though, I'm saying I personally haven't heard of 1500-2000 hrs guys being hired here, and was told at a prev...

Well, there is also another group affected. Those who decided to stick it out at an Express carrier because they were told that was the "way to AC," finally made it to mainline in the last year after AC decided hiring Westjet pilots instead for a whole summer two years ago was a better idea... Now ...

TSAM wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 1:52 pm

thesimplelife wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 1:32 pm
I hope so.

I'm just really on edge because I don't like uncertainty.

Try going through 9/11, recessions and layoffs like many of us have. It's the nature of aviation unfortunately.

Yeah, fair enough.

I think everyone is getting worked up over nothing. I don't think they will merge the company. At least not with Mainline. Maybe with Rouge but that was a risk they took when they left Mainline for Rouge so they can not cry foul too much about that. They can't. Why do you people keep saying it? htt...

I don't know of any 1500 hr hires at TS. Even if there were, you should know AC has hired 1500 hr pilots from Jazz, GGN and SR, including at least 1 or 2 that were told once they have their ATPL they'll get the next spot (PML 1.0). Even on 2.0 there were many in the 1500-2000 hr range. If you chose...

Actually, I'm %100 positive.

yaro007 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:04 pm As an international student you cannot do a modular program because you need a student visa. Check out this video for everything you need to know: https://youtu.be/VWtdix3xcXE

Are you sure? I'm pretty confident I know a guy who was here on a student visa and did a modular program.

AT brings in wide body airplanes as well. A mix of senior and junior people. Senior people flying AT widebody will most likely be flying widebody after the merger, but they brought "their" own planes. So no AC pilot is negatively affected. Junior people at AT will slide in on the junior spots at AC...

I feel for you Express guys and also all the Transat guys that have already switched to AC who effectively flushed their seniority down the toilet if DOH goes through. Nice to know at least some people care. I just hope those at the top who control where negotiations go don't forget about us.... Si...

nd The AC/Cdn merger left everyone with a bad taste in their mouth because it was the forced marriage of two failing businesses that watched their combined market share dwindle. It's noteworthy that no pilots who lived through it have commented here, they've moved on, it was nearly two decades ago....

What about the fact that AC has a file on the vast majority of AT pilot because they applied there and were not chosen to be hired. These pilot that were deem not acceptable at the time are suddenly going to be given no interview job at AC, something not even AC Express get? Not to mention the doze...

How is this difficult to understand? The money is in bigger airplanes. Someone who gets 500 people on top of him in the seniority list might never see WB captain spot due to the way demographics works against him. Or he will see it for fewer years. AT brings in wide body airplanes as well. A mix of...

If I remember what I was told a while ago some were relative seniority, some DOH formula and then the bottom 8:1.

People made the choice to go to a company with fast upgrades and therefore also took on the risk. If someone at AT has 25 years of seniority and is a 330 skipper, by all means they should have 25 years and be able to bid the same or similar. If someone took the Jr upgrade at year 6-10 at AT and slid...

goingnowherefast wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:46 pm Put yourself in the other pilot's position and ask how you'd expect to be treated.

Not gonna happen, but what if Delta buys AC, how should that merger go. 3000 pilots vs 15000.

Date of hire. It really doesn't get much simpler than that.

Most of the AC pilots I have spoken to expect all TS pilots to go bottom of the list as per their collective agreement. Has this ever happened in any merger in North America? Anywhere? No. Most AC pilots are extremely selfish and it's the reason pay and working conditions lag so far behind the rest...

I didn't invent it and I'm not married to it, but if I was forced to bet, this is where I'd put my money. A top TS Capt has way more than 15 years. The airline is 32 years old. So if there are any 30+ year TS Captains I imagine they deserve fairly high seniority after a merge. Tell me what you thin...

Relative seniority works when you're merging two groups of similar size, not with a 3000+ group with 600. I don't see it happening. In this one instance only, size doesn't matter. So in your opinion a top A330 Captain who's been at AT for 15 years should slot in with 25-30 year pilots at AC? Pilots...

I heard their position is all AT CAs go to AC 330 CA seniority levels. I understand junior CAs at AT are under 10 year seniority and as low as 5 year seniority. Expecting to merge at a 25-35 year seniority level? I hope that is just BS rumour stuff. But yes that would certainly start a war. Force A...

DOH won't happen. BOTL won't happen. Relative seniority. You'll hold your approximate percentile. Read your history. CIRB will decide for you if you can't and the result will be Relative Seniority. That's what happened with AC/CA and also with C3/Royal/Canjet. No dog in the race, but I would like t...

I think a bigger hurdle than the competition bureau will be the ACPA scope language. At a minimum, if acquired airTransat will meet the definition of an ‘affiliate’. Therefore, pilot positions may only be occupied by pilots who’s names appear on the AC pilot seniority list. Therefore seniority inte...

Indeed, a happy merger is what EVERYONE should be hoping for—none of this 'I want mine AND I don't want you to get yours' nonsense. Just think of it this way—whoever comes out on top is going to have to fly with whoever comes out on the bottom for the rest of their career. Ask the old guard Air Can...

It is estimated 8-14 months to get through all the regulator huddles. The competition bureau may require divestiture of part of Transat like what happened in the AC/CDN merger. CDN regional was put up for sale. In the end there were no takers and folded in to Jazz. So while all this is going on, of...

If the wording in this message means anything Air Transat could remain its own brand/operation for the foreseeable future at least and no merge short term. 1. By connecting Transat to our own network 2. ....adding Transat services to our network would create new North American market opportunities ...

No matter what, any hiring done at AC must have 60% of their pilots come from Jazz. Now a merger is different but I don't see the flow changing when it comes to actual new hires.