wapitibaby wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:42 pm Caving in defeats the whole purpose of a union... Sadly they still have a lot to cut on before they reach operational controllers...

I wouldn’t be surprised. CATCA isn’t what it used to be.

It's difficult because NavCan has a nationwide seniority list. If they just lopped off the bottom 14% of the list, that would leave a lot of openings where senior people would have to be shuffled into the roles to backfill. In many cases that would require a few months of retraining. So the reducti...

Trainee here that got cut yesterday. It’s a painful time, and the gov needs to step in finally to provide more aid. When air traffic recovers there isn’t going to be enough staff. It’s all rather sudden and horrendous. And the controllers are going to eventually be cut too I think. I imagine they w...

There is no broad rule as to what happened. Case by case. Useless to compare as so many places he different outcomes.

Not all trainees are fired. From what I heard, if the planification is to check out (having your licence) before the end of the year, you are still in. For trainees assisting basic course or just begining OJT (on job training), it will be different. Not really true. It was a unit by unit basis. I c...

BoardManPaid wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:22 pm Controllers cant be far behind at this rate.

Doubt it. If anything they’ll shuffle around personnel to staff critically short units. I seriously doubt they’ll be layoffs. Salary cuts maybe.

Terrible. This will take decades to recover from.

kevenv wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:10 pm

Braun wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:00 pm Not all but most trainees have been laid off permanently. Training is suspended for the foreseeable future. Other major organizational changes are coming.

Hopefully this doesn't have the same kind of long term impact that the hiring freeze by the government in the late 80's had.

It will.

clr4takeoff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:14 am Looks like Navcanada will announce trainee are being laid off soon....

Not all but most trainees have been laid off permanently. Training is suspended for the foreseeable future. Other major organizational changes are coming.

Where I’m at the course that started last January have been postponed until at least January. Not sure if it’s applicable everywhere but don’t hold your breath. It sucks for all the applicants

COPA’s new president works for Nav Canada. Maybe a nice email or letter would be a good idea if you feel there is a problem!

I agree. Every country's ATC has its own idiosyncrasies but calling it "terrible" is over the top.... . I truly believe that if you took one controller from New York centre, Chicago’s LA they could run all the YYZ sectors simultaneously and do a better job of it. I always said, if they could clone ...

Since this has drifted into how “entitled” I apparently am, even though it is not all the case, I’ll bring the discussion back to the original subject which is Nav Canada cost and efficiency. This CANSO report might help clear up some misconceptions about just how “inefficient” Nav Canada is. https:...

... Controller salaries in Canada are on par with international salaries ... We’re are in this together ... Why should you get paid the same as controllers internationally? We aren't paid anywhere near what the US or other countries pay their pilots. Could you explain to me what "We are in this tog...

:? Saying Nav Canada is a terrible product is simply not true. I’m not saying we’re perfect but it’s definitely not terrible. I agree. Every country's ATC has its own idiosyncrasies but calling it "terrible" is over the top.... I agree, terrible might not be appropriate. It’s not like we are running...

WIth revenues down, the cost of that service is going up. If you can't understand that, especially after everything I have written, than there isn't much else to say really. ATC is an essential service. Joe Blo flying down to Cayo Coco with his family for some fun in the sun isn't essential. So com...

Sorry Braun, as a customer of Nav Canada I don't see it like that at all. How many Nav Canada employees lost their job or took a pay cut due to Covid? That's right. Sack some ATCO's. That'll make everything better. Well, they’ve started offering packages for people to retire. We are losing ATCO’s b...

:? :? Sorry Braun, as a customer of Nav Canada I don't see it like that at all. How many Nav Canada employees lost their job or took a pay cut due to Covid? Rhetorical question since we know the answer is "none," Nav Canada is weathering the storm quite nicely. Certainly nothing against individual C...

Nav Canada is an embarrassment to this country, they fail to see that they are a service provider. Controller salaries have sky rocketed with their persistent game of overtime and controlling staffing by a ridiculous wash out rate. The Airlines in this country are getting slaughtered and Nav Canada...

100% certain he said « no joy ». In other words, we can’t see it or it’s not working.