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Here you go again. You found a rationalization as to why FEDEX and UPS pilots are not Cargo pilots. FedEx and UPS pilots fly cargo, there is no denying that, but FedEx and UPS are more than just cargo airlines; they provide the full, end-to-end cargo delivery from pick-up, flight and delivery at th...

Here you go again. You found a rationalization as to why FEDEX and UPS pilots are not Cargo pilots. FedEx and UPS pilots fly cargo, there is no denying that, but FedEx and UPS are more than just cargo airlines; they provide the full, end-to-end cargo delivery from pick-up, flight and delivery at th...

It is amazing how management or in this case, a union lackie who is a big company fanboy, can spin something into something it isn't. The company is doing cargo right now. At full rates. They even converted aircraft. If the company has a strategic vision to do cargo, it is going to do cargo. It doe...

The truth hurts sometimes but that is the rational behind the weight-speed formula. It has been that way for decades dating back to the first pilot union contracts. In fact, when jet aircraft and wide-bodies came into existence and the pay skyrocketed, owing to the use of the same weight and speed ...

I have stated many times before and I will again; $67 per hour is not make or break for an operation that probably costs are $10,000 per hour or more. The issue is a competitive labour rate given what the competition is paying and so far no one has provided an all-in pilot cost of AC versus CJ. I s...

You are coming up with all the rationalizations, justifications and excuses management uses. In fact you sound extremely close in your thinking. Almost parroting. I talked to an MEC member that did the same rationalizations. Very similar. You know there is something wrong when you talk to a union h...

Fanblade: I think your issue is summarized by your statement "But back to our debate. The correct frame of reference is the formula used for decades to establish pay. That system was established so you don’t need to negotiate. Just throw in the weight and speed. That formula can be found in the coll...

Jimmy Hoffa: Have a look at the Q1 (end of March) MD&A - the fleet plan showed 2 x A330's being added, 3 x A220's and one Rouge A320; next quarter the MD&A fleet plan shows the planned 5 x mainline B767's and 14 EMB's leaving AND 25 Rouge 767's and 6 x A319's leaving. There is simply no denying that...

And just so it’s clear, you can have all the cargo available and all the planes available and pay zero dollars for fuel or services, but those airplanes and that cargo doesn’t move unless pilots make it move. We need to remember that. -Jimmy You can have all of the cargo available but there is not ...

Sceptical, Clearly you believe employees should give to support a corporate goal. Where does that end? Yes, I do - more often than not, personal goals align with corporate goals. If the corporate goal in this case is to create work from about 100 pilots that is a goal that should be shared with sai...

When nothing else changes to the current set of WAWCON and the entire "economically competitive product" relies on nothing more than a 10% savings of Pilot wages, roughly $67/hr as others have explained, then how is this in any way good for that same business person that wishes to stay in business?...

I can't speak for Johnny767 but I can answer the question why a permanent change versus a temporary change. While COVID has created an change in the cargo market such that a dedicated cargo division is viable (unlike 5 years ago), the economics of cargo do not change once COVID is over. In fact, I w...

But let me ask you this: In keeping with your "stay in your lane" philosophy, you would also advocate then that Air Canada exit the leisure travel business too (i.e. Rouge pre or post COVID) as that is not a "premium service" - minimal service, high seating density, etc.? Pre-COVID, that was 65 air...

40% cut that is still much better than what Canadian Airlines pay. :rolleyes: So explain to me why, during our hiring spree prior to COVID, the newhire bio's showed them coming from Emirates, Cathay and others. And that was before the draconian wage cut at Cathay? Alternatively, I did not see too m...

True, Cargo doesn't doesn't care if there is a business class or airport lounges or any other bells and whistles. But Air Canada is a premium service ferrying passengers around Canada and the world. There are other companies flying cargo. To add to my burger analogy, you don't see high-end burger j...

In the competitive world of air cargo, AC cannot extract a premium simply because it is Air Canada; cargo does not care whether it has business class or not, lounges, etc. so the pricing has to be competitive and it cannot be if the only differentiator (pilots wages) is not. A similar lesson was le...

It has been interesting to sit back and watch the fur fly on this issue the past few days. Lots of opposing opinions, which is good, and a lot of misconceptions. As a 30+ year AC pilot, I think it is time to weigh in on this. Rather than trying to guess my position, I will state from the outset tha...

It has been interesting to sit back and watch the fur fly on this issue the past few days. Lots of opposing opinions, which is good, and a lot of misconceptions. As a 30+ year AC pilot, I think it is time to weigh in on this. Rather than trying to guess my position, I will state from the outset that...

NAV CANADA reducing its rates even on an inflation adjusted basis is less expensive is not an indication of NAV CANADA being efficient. One would expect that NAV CANADA would be less costly considering that at onetime it was a Federal Government responsibility - anyone can make a former government o...

AC, WestJet and Envcore’s flying is down by 90% or more as well yet their unions managed to get a mitigation deal done to spread the pain, share the work and reduce the lay-off numbers yet our MEC at Jazz couldn’t do a similar deal in the same period. Inquiring minds would like to know. Hey sceptic...

AC, WestJet and Envcore’s flying is down by 90% or more as well yet their unions managed to get a mitigation deal done to spread the pain, share the work and reduce the lay-off numbers yet our MEC at Jazz couldn’t do a similar deal in the same period.

Inquiring minds would like to know.

I am curious. How is it that AC (and I believe WJ and Encore) managed to come up with a work share agreement to reduce (mitigate) the effects of the industry downturn yet Jazz has come up with nothing? Did the Jazz ALPA MEC sacrifice their junior members by not doing some sort of work share thus all...