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- Fri Jan 30, 2026 10:49 am
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
Truedude sure has gone quiet. Can’t really blame him, this was not an ideal outcome but after some reflection I’ve come away with a new view. First, I didn’t see anyone else put their hand up for chair, with the one late and sardonic email which would not have been taken seriously, it really came d...
- Mon Jan 12, 2026 10:34 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
The wage reopener is 2029 and the reason people weigh in on Jazz problems here is because they can, anonymously, because social media abounds, and the world sucks because of it
- Mon Jan 12, 2026 9:51 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
So it’s a waste of time/member dues to file a section 35 but a good use of time/member dues to file a grievance for the violation of flow to provide compensation to people who don’t even work for Jazz anymore? How the hell does that make any sense? As for grieving the exclusivity clause violation an...
- Mon Jan 12, 2026 9:36 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
So it’s a waste of time/member dues to file a section 35 but a good use of time/member dues to file a grievance for the violation of flow to provide compensation to people who don’t even work for Jazz anymore? How the hell does that make any sense? As for grieving the exclusivity clause violation an...
- Mon Jan 12, 2026 3:33 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
So it’s a waste of time/member dues to file a section 35 but a good use of time/member dues to file a grievance for the violation of flow to provide compensation to people who don’t even work for Jazz anymore? How the hell does that make any sense? As for grieving the exclusivity clause violation an...
- Mon Jan 05, 2026 7:51 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
While applaud the JAZ MEC’s attempts to remedy the situation, I honestly feel that the corporate structure in Canada(and in any capitalist economy for that matter) is designed to limit gains by the workers. It doesn’t even matter who is (objectively) right or wrong, the “system”(emboldened by the CI...
- Mon Jan 05, 2026 5:33 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
So you are asking for confidential documents(all subject to an NDA) to be disclosed on avcanada? Ok At the end of the day, the JAZ MEC and, by extension, its pilots, are in a horrible bargaining position. Always have been, always will be. It’s the nature of a CPA(even when they were wholly owned the...
- Sun Jan 04, 2026 5:46 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
The Jazz MEC could win a policy grievance but the only entity capable of providing remedy is not Jazz, it’s AC. See the problem?
- Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:48 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Is Claude going to Hawaii this Christmas?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 2079
Re: Is Claude going to Hawaii this Christmas?
Yes I respect and understand that AC owns their flying and is in an entirely different bargaining environment than Jazz is.
- Thu Dec 04, 2025 12:38 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Is Claude going to Hawaii this Christmas?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 2079
Re: Is Claude going to Hawaii this Christmas?
So if being locked into a deal until 2035(with a full wage re-opener in 2029) is so shitty then why (in your own words) did AC do such a poor job with open bargaining in 2024? Yet another person that just lives to complain and is never satisfied with anything. If you’ve got this whole bargaining thi...
- Mon Dec 01, 2025 5:39 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Is Claude going to Hawaii this Christmas?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 2079
Re: Is Claude going to Hawaii this Christmas?
You have always been extremely critical of both the JAZ MEC/Executive and Jazz pilots for voting the way they do on various tentative agreements. I’m not sure why you are so interested in what happens here. It’s kind of weird. Anyway, the Executive Officer terms end in February of 2026 so there will...
- Wed Nov 26, 2025 5:53 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
Thanks for your concern, you can go back to complaining about your own contract now. I’ve seen your posts in your mainline thread, and no one can do anything right in your eyes.
- Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:47 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
As I said earlier the 17 year deal has been debated ad nauseum. Bringing it up here again is pointless. What is problematic is when you say that “if the company wants to run the operation into the ground that’s on them”. There are almost 300 pilots at Jazz currently enrolled and contributing to a de...
- Tue Nov 25, 2025 8:47 am
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
Despite being locked into a long term contract, Jazz did receive fairly significant increase in compensation in 2023, due to the reasons you stated. The compensation increase was as much attributable to the reduction in benefit premiums as it was actually hourly pay rate increases. Plus a little kno...
- Sun Nov 23, 2025 10:29 am
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
Global solutions was a bankruptcy-era concept. With the failure of the ULP process, I don’t see anything short of, ironically ,a recession bringing the parties back to the table.
- Sun Nov 23, 2025 12:16 am
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
While I agree with the concepts you propose, do you really think the ACA negotiating committee is going to use bargaining capital on your next contract to have a PML included in your CBA?
- Sat Nov 22, 2025 7:01 am
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
The interference in bargaining resulted in less pay increases than were needed to attract and retain pilots that could/would go Captain here. So it’s both
- Fri Nov 21, 2025 11:37 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
For all the AC pilots weighing in here, let me ask you this… is your company facing an existential crisis? As in, do you have existing FOs willing and able to upgrade and/or are you able to recruit “captain ready”candidates to sustain your operation? Because Jazz cannot. So why don’t you piss off an...
- Fri Nov 21, 2025 8:23 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
The big takeaway is “ a rumour has been circulating within both JAZ and ACA pilot groups that the purpose of a Section 35 application would be to capture date-of-hire seniority for JAZ pilots on the ACA seniority list. This is categorically false. There is no basis in the present set of circumstance...
- Fri Nov 21, 2025 8:20 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
Message from your MEC Representatives Fellow Pilots, We understand that pilots do not want to see a public airing of the MEC’s internal debate. However, given the divisiveness of two recent communications from the Montreal LEC to their pilots (on November 17 and November 18), representatives from th...
- Fri Nov 21, 2025 1:18 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
And I don't know how much time you have spent in and around lawyers, or people in the legal profession. But they don't wast time, or energy in writing things that did not need to be written. Seriously, have you spent any time around lawyers? That's literally all they do. "We need to schedule a meet...
- Thu Nov 20, 2025 12:21 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
Cypresshill,
No need to “fire”(ie recall) anyone since all the Executive position terms end early in the new year. February I think. If you have enough support you are welcome to run for one of these positions yourself.
No need to “fire”(ie recall) anyone since all the Executive position terms end early in the new year. February I think. If you have enough support you are welcome to run for one of these positions yourself.
- Mon Nov 17, 2025 4:17 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
The leverage was not squandered, it was used as the only means possible to get AC management to the table for mediation. And it got the raises and reduced health care premiums just before the ULP was launched. AC was trying to convince the board that they didn’t belong in the talks since the beginni...
- Mon Oct 27, 2025 10:45 pm
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
Didn’t you guys vote yes to a contract that avoided “peak leverage”? In the end, no group is better than the other
- Wed Oct 22, 2025 10:18 am
- Forum: Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express
- Topic: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
- Replies: 553
- Views: 80947
Re: Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?
The ULP was filed OVER 2 YEARS ago. The JAZ MEC executive and negotiating committee have been extremely patient with ACA and the CIRB recognizes this. The ACA executive has been dragging their heals on this, pissing away time the board’s mediation dates(showing up unprepared etc)and frustrating the ...
