It is not going to 85 instead of 80. It is going to 85 DBM every month rather than surging to 88 in the summer and less in other months. It is going up 24 hours max per year (996 to 1020). If you take the average wide body day to be 8 hours then that equates to 3 extra working days per year. If you...

JJ is a moron, a corporate shill who needs to get the boot in my opinion. I'm sure the negotiating team for the American Airlines pilots, or the UPS pilots, or the Southwest pilots share your learned opinion. :roll: You feel you'd be getting completely different advice if we had the E&FA folks from...

Well this was predictable. Watch this bid get cancelled when the no vote prevails and all the entitled prop pilots who think they have this non existent leverage who can hold left seat lose their upgrade for a year. Regret served ice cold. You made your bed. I'm here to tell you I told you so. The ...

Jester123 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:51 pm Got the job today. Thanks all for the help.

Offer came about 2.5 weeks after interview. Good luck to all.

Enjoy your 320 Captain upgrade next week.

So there is a shortage of experienced pilots over 1000 hours not necessarily 500 hours pilots or just shortage of all pilots. 1000h pilot doesn’t necessarily mean experienced pilots. They need DEC, quick upgradable (3-6 months), in that order. When they won’t be able to fill in their DEC courses, t...

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I wonder, how many years on the property would it take before holding left seat and a block on the 767 or up? Now what about to hold a schedule that is half decent? Better to stay NB? Big pay difference. Cheers! D Isn't the 767F CA seat like 2500 seniority rig...

So you guys are all convinced AC will be back at the table to offer more if their MOA gets voted down? Nothing is ever guaranteed. But we need to remember, the middle managers answer to the executive who answer to the board. And the board answers to the shareholders. If AC can't fly their schedule ...

Send this back and get a good deal. You mean like when we turned down the TA and got FOS? You never learn. Go back and check our discussions. Your predictions are wrong and your character assessments are wrong too. You and the p4c are misleading the junior pilots and playing on their emotions. The ...

Send this back and get a good deal. You mean like when we turned down the TA and got FOS? You never learn. Go back and check our discussions. Your predictions are wrong and your character assessments are wrong too. You and the p4c are misleading the junior pilots and playing on their emotions. Are ...

So who exactly are P4C? Were they in the room for the negotiations? Who are their experts that are reviewing the documents and writing up their criticism? Exactly...a bunch of pilots with Tier 3 union experience and they know all the answers.. Criticise them? And guess what happens, a bunch of ad h...

Selfish....The deal is clearly to get rid of the flatpay for new hire and ease the transition to the jazz guy but in exchange other pilot will have to have a 85 dbm instead of 80. You do not want to do it because you don t have anything to gain out of it. You would not make this permanent gain for ...

rudder wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 am
p.s. do you really think that you would do worse than this MOA in arbitration? Regardless, that is a hypothetical 2024 scenario only.

Hehehe... I see what you did there.

Hi folks, I posted in another thread a while back, but no replies so I thought I’d try again in my own thread. Age 45. Overseas for the last 20 years. 13,000 TT. 12,000 hours on jets above 60T. 5000 hours PIC. Masters degree. I want to come back to Canada for family reasons and because I’ve had eno...

Vote is ongoing ends I think on the 11th. Results posted typically within a few hours of close.

4000 hours, with 2000 PIC and 750 PIC on type for that salary?

What a joke. Maybe for an FO.

lenamade wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:25 pm After thinking about the concessions and selling out Jazz & their collective will, I'm changing my tune

I'm now on team "Hells No"

This 90% No vote is going to be the definition of solidarity!!

You're hilarious.

Based on your focus on the Jazz part and flat pay, I'm starting to think you don't actually work at AC and you want the Jazz deferral and seniority number and are speaking form a selfish angle. Jazz pilots get the best deal out of anyone in this MOA. Keep flying at CA rate at Jazz for 1-2 years, and...

RVR6000 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 7:19 pm We’re giving away 60 odd WB CA positions by giving the DBM flexibility alone.

That's conservatively $15,000,000 of WB CA wages gone. Poof.

And by daisy chain effect, $9,000,000 of WB FO wages gone.

And lastly and leastly, approx $5,000,000 of WB RP wages gone.

Forever.

Vote No.

You're missing the point though dude. We are giving away some SCOPE, SCHEDULING (flexibility for the company, NOT the pilot) and LEVERAGE FOR PILOT JOBS (Jazz issues) in order to get this flat pay fix. Which I am not willing to give away. If they don't come back, they don't come back! I for one don'...

Again can you elaborate how that helps AC pilots? Why should they give two shits about the revolving door regional airline that exists purely to drive costs down for flying small jets/turboprops. (And on that note why would the company even want more expensive mainline pilots flying regional jets?)...

LOL ACPA is not every union, and Air Canada not any company. We keep negociating shitty contract, that s why I am asking specifically is there a precedence for ACPA and Air Canada? cause to see the contract we got...It does not seem it happen before Do you not seem to understand that this isn't nor...

Yeah pretty much every union ever in existence.

Stop buying into the yul fear.

Yes. There's too much in the deal that they need to make next summer work.

So no competition, ok. Lets just go with that for now (I disagree, personally). Then we must capitalize on leverage when we can. Closed contract and the company comes crying for help for keeping Jazz planes flying, training and scope, and hiring? It should cost them bigtime. Much more than they hav...