So, were these guys shooting an approach of some kind? Are we willing to admit they descended below safe altitudes? Any indication of an altimeter setting error? Or, are we just too touchy freely to learn from this? Illya Didn’t know you shoot approach procedures, I though you flew them. “Shooting”...

I do tend (of late) to avoid posting here. Always turns into a hissy fit. But when I see a third fatal accident in a short (relatively speaking) period of time, involving three types I'm pretty damn familiar with, involving the same company, I weigh in. Something is being done wrong, somewhere along...

I can’t figure out the bitterness either. Young pilots right no only have to avoid picking their noses at the interview, and they get a shiny new Q400 job, for having a pulse!
Or, so it seems.
That accident on Mt Elizabeth will forever be a mystery to me. Really miss Bob.
Illya

[quote=goingnowherefast post_id=1068964 time=1549795893 user_id=40868 How about, out of respect for the dead, we wait until some more information comes out before the eventual speculation and the blame game from the old farts can begin. [/quote] Funny thing is.....it's not the "old farts" rolling ai...

So, were these guys shooting an approach of some kind? Are we willing to admit they descended below safe altitudes? Any indication of an altimeter setting error? Or, are we just too touchy freely to learn from this?
Illya

Pie, don't know why you feel the need to stir it up. Descending is simply going down. You can descend the stairs, or fall down them. End result is a descent. My beer glass descended from the table to the floor. Anyway. Get back to us in three years when the official findings state the airplane desce...

shimmydampner wrote: ↑Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:47 pm

Illya Kuryakin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:30 pm The “cause” is simple. Descended below a published altitude IMC.

Are you willing to stake your "reputation" on that.

Well Shimmy, if they hadn't descended below a published altitude, they wouldn't have hit the ground. What is your point?

I always set field elevation as well. The problem is, it isn’t really on profile with a normal decent, they crashed outside of the 25 mile safe, and visibility was a mile and ceiling was 1600 feet. They were right on approach ban—not exactly the conditions any informed crew goes looking to find an ...

Something like this can be easily caused by an erroneous altimeter setting. A 310 hit the ground near Cat Lake several years ago for just this reason. Every morning after I spark up the beast, I set set field elevation before I even "check in" for the numbers with FSS. Sounds pretty basic, but pilot...

Co-Joe: but realistically the 100 nm safe is higher because of the 11 800 AMA for rocks 180 nm west of there, That's why I will wait for the trained people with the actual information to give me the cause...maybe a review of a CAP GEN is in order. The “cause” is simple. Descended below a published ...

Big Pistons Forever wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:55 pm I got my PPL when I was 17 and regularly rented airplanes. Ironically it would be another 8 years before I could rent a car.

I've always found this to be kind of strange. Used to rent airplanes all the time years before HERTZ would give me the time of day.
Illya

Risky question here. What was the experience level of the pilots? Give or take.
Illya

Well Peakbagger, that’s about the depth of a reply I’ve come to expect. Care to field the question? Or is “frig off” pretty much it for a deep thinker like yourself.
Illya

Were these guys shooting an approach? Were they enroute? Very few details. This company had a fatal C208 accident not all that long ago. No red flags here.
Illya

Thunder CP
Class act. Say Hi to Kaj
Illya

Does anyone know where the 'Wheels down" as in 'What is your wheels down time? or as Illya says 'Wheels down in five" came from. I think I've only heard that in northern Manitoba. Everybody uses it instead of “Fort Whatever in Five.....”. Like nobody is intelligent enough to know that means LANDING...

Got to love it when some of you call “wheels down in five....”
Illya

Nope
Illya

I'm not on about low time pilots in the airline industry. Cadets with 250 hours etc., but the small operator in the smaller centres. The "here's the book, your ride is Thursday..."types. No FSI training, no SIM, but minimal training, for pilots "just out of the puppy mill..." Would YOU get into the ...

Could have been....forgot the log book...reject...
Too simple? Not everything is life n death.
Illya