IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

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IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#1 Post by rentalismylife » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:58 pm

Do you need an IATRA if you fly a private registered aircraft under 604 rules that is over 12,500lb?
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Re: IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#2 Post by ahramin » Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:45 pm

(3) Individual Type Rating Requirements

(a) Aeroplane - Two Crew

(i) Knowledge

An applicant for an individual aircraft type rating for aeroplanes with a minimum flight crew requirement of at least two pilots shall have completed a program of ground school instruction and flight training on the aeroplane type, and
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)

Private Pilot Licence - Aeroplane or Commercial Pilot Licence-Aeroplane

(A) in the case of the holder of a Private Pilot Licence-Aeroplane or Commercial Pilot Licence-Aeroplane, within the 24 months preceding the application for the first endorsement of the two crew rating, an applicant shall have obtained a minimum score of 70 percent (70%) on the Type Rating-Aeroplane (IATRA) written examination;
So maybe. 604 or not has nothing to do with the IATRA. If the aircraft requires a type rating (2 crew or high performance) and you don't have an ATPL, you will need to have passed the IATRA or the ATPL exams in order to get the type rating, regardless of what part you are flying under.
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Re: IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#3 Post by wallypilot » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:47 am

ahramin wrote:
(3) Individual Type Rating Requirements

(a) Aeroplane - Two Crew

(i) Knowledge

An applicant for an individual aircraft type rating for aeroplanes with a minimum flight crew requirement of at least two pilots shall have completed a program of ground school instruction and flight training on the aeroplane type, and
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)

Private Pilot Licence - Aeroplane or Commercial Pilot Licence-Aeroplane

(A) in the case of the holder of a Private Pilot Licence-Aeroplane or Commercial Pilot Licence-Aeroplane, within the 24 months preceding the application for the first endorsement of the two crew rating, an applicant shall have obtained a minimum score of 70 percent (70%) on the Type Rating-Aeroplane (IATRA) written examination;
So maybe. 604 or not has nothing to do with the IATRA. If the aircraft requires a type rating (2 crew or high performance) and you don't have an ATPL, you will need to have passed the IATRA or the ATPL exams in order to get the type rating, regardless of what part you are flying under.
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Exactly....If aircraft type requires a type rating, you need atpl or IATRA. Most , if not all, aircraft over 12500 require a Type rating.
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Re: IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#4 Post by goingnowherefast » Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:19 pm

IATRA is an easy exam, just study for a bit and you should be good to go. I forgot a calculator when I wrote it and still passed with a decent margin.

FYI, a wiz wheel is good at multiplication/division. Addition and subtraction better be easy enough with a pen and some scrap paper.
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Re: IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#5 Post by Docbrad » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:26 am

What if it is a single pilot airplane that is run two crew?

The rules for the type rating indicate that the airplane has to be minimum two crew, not flown two crew. So if a CPL were to go right seat on a PC12 for example, would he need the IATRA? Would the captain need ATPL?
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Re: IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#6 Post by ahramin » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:44 am

The way the aircraft is operated has no effect. Minimum flight crew requirements refers to the type certificate of the aircraft.
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Re: IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#7 Post by ba31pilot » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:53 am

If the aircraft you are flying is certified single pilot (e.g. the King Air 200), the Captain does not require an ATPL nor does the First Officer require an IATRA.
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Re: IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#8 Post by wallypilot » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:23 am

Docbrad wrote:What if it is a single pilot airplane that is run two crew?

The rules for the type rating indicate that the airplane has to be minimum two crew, not flown two crew. So if a CPL were to go right seat on a PC12 for example, would he need the IATRA? Would the captain need ATPL?
Actually, docbrad pointed out something i haven't thought of...what about the single pilot certified citations? PIC obviously needs a type rating, but does the SIC? Whether or not the SIC requires a type rating would determine whether or not they require the IATRA.
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Re: IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#9 Post by Docbrad » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:37 am

And if it is a single pilot airplane flown two crew, does the FO log co-pilot time?

I'm currently flying 172's for areal patrol, which is obviously a single pilot machine, but the spotter can't log the flight time... Then again, the spotter isn't "flight crew"
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Re: IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#10 Post by ahramin » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:49 am

Wally if the ops manual states the aircraft is operated 2 crew, the SIC would require a type rating to qualify as the second crew member. Would have to meet all training requirements in the ops manual actually.
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Re: IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#11 Post by wallypilot » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:44 am

Docbrad wrote:And if it is a single pilot airplane flown two crew, does the FO log co-pilot time?

I'm currently flying 172's for areal patrol, which is obviously a single pilot machine, but the spotter can't log the flight time... Then again, the spotter isn't "flight crew"
That discussion is for another thread, but short answer is no.
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Re: IATRA required to fly a 604 registered aircraft?

#12 Post by leftoftrack » Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:43 am

wallypilot wrote:
Docbrad wrote:And if it is a single pilot airplane flown two crew, does the FO log co-pilot time?

I'm currently flying 172's for areal patrol, which is obviously a single pilot machine, but the spotter can't log the flight time... Then again, the spotter isn't "flight crew"
That discussion is for another thread, but short answer is no.
No, the short answer is Yes. If a single pilot airplane is operated by two crew (the citation is an excellent example) both pilots would log the time. In docbrad's example there is only 1 pilot. If docbrad's company had the 172 operated as a 2 crew machine in their COM both pilots would log the time
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