Don't think it's a great option for clients using Pearson but with this handcuffing of departures and arrivals, it probably will become more valuable than the four letters used in the ALTN box on the flight plan.
As they should be. The new duty time regulations although good for 705 operations are completely out of line for 704 operations, especially those that switch between 604 and 704. The new regulations are a one size fits all solution designed for the 705 world. For example I fly 604/704 on average maybe 4-5 legs a month for around 20hours total, you're going to tell me that I have fatigue issues and can't fly a full duty day to Europe have my required rest then fly a full duty day the next back home, and have two weeks off before the next flight? There needs to be allowances for different types of operations.whatsitdoingnow wrote:Ahh the CBAA......the same people trying to get the new fatigue rules squashed or watered down considerably.
Well, this is a bit of a clusterf$%#k. I wonder just how much notice will be adequate?JohnnyHotRocks wrote:Back on topic. Just looking at this mornings notams. Now it is saying slots are to be requested a MAXIMUM of 48hrs in advance. What gives here? These guys need to get their heads on straight!
CYYZ WEF 2017 MAR 26 1030.
AMEND PUB: RESTRICTIONS: OPR RESTRICTIONS: 1 TO READ 1.A)
ADD: 1.B) ALL NON SKED ACFT ARE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A SLOT FOR ALL
OPS MAX 48 HRS PRIOR TO ETD OR SKED TIME OF ARR.
CTC GTAA 416-776-SLOT (7568) OR 1-800-267-SLOT (7568).
EXEMPT: MEDEVAC, HEADS OF STATE, POLICE, MILITARY, HELI AND SPORTS
http://apps.torontopearson.com/torontop ... ileid=2168
-Normal Operating Hours (0630-0029L)
General/Business Aviation Operators are required to book arrival and departure slots up to 48 hours prior to Estimated Time of Departure (ETD) or Arrival (STA).
-The availability to book slots is on a 48-hr rolling window prior to your arrival or departure request (i.e. a slot can be booked at the time of call for an arrival or departure slot within the next 48hrs). Slots outside of the 48 hour window will not be allocated.
-Slots will be valid for a period of ±1hr from the Estimated Time of Departure (ETD) or Arrival (STA) (e.g. a reservation for 1430L is valid from 1330L to 1530L); however operations are not permitted within the ‘Restricted Operating Hours’ without explicit permission to do so.
-For dates outside of the defined period for ‘Runway 05/23 Runway Rehabilitation Activities’ (see below), six (6) slots will be allocated per hour (e.g. 0630-0659, 0700-0759, 0800-0859…2300-2359, 0000-0029) within the normal operating hours (0630-0029L). Note the shoulder hours of 0630-0659 and 0000-0029 will be allocated under same operating parameters as the whole hours (i.e. six (6)).
-Runway 05/23 Rehabilitation Activities
Rehabilitation activities are scheduled for Runway 05/23 from March 28, 2017 to approximately May 16, 2017; and, October 10, 2017 to approximately November 03, 2017. Slots will be allocated using the methodology described above, however arrival slots will not be assigned to GA/BA operators from 1500 to 1959 local time; departures will still be assigned.
https://lconsulting.wufoo.com/forms/gta ... ns-at-yyz/
Anyway, I too am experiencing headaches.
So many clients want to come back at the end of their business day between 3-8pm and we end up going to Hamilton and sitting for 4 hours.
So companies that want to fly will find a way. Unfortunately it doesn't always mean rainbows and sunshine for the pilots.
schnitzel2k3 wrote:The issue I'm finding is running into the end of your duty day and getting stranded at some half way home airport because your company can't get a slot..
Similar thing happened to one of our company aircraft tonight. Had to wait for departure to yyz, after flying a couple of long legs, due to a slot time availability, flow control delayed even further into yyz, duty day was tapped and they're stuck away from base for another night. Had they been able to depart when their slot was allocated, there would have been no issue getting home.
My question is, what is the point of being obligated to obtain a slot if you can't use it anyways?
This seriously needs to be addressed, and IMO the based GA operators are absorbing an unfair burden on their already slim pickings for work.
I've never had any issue planning and going into any non-military airport in the USA. Unlike Canadians who see airports as a hassle and disruptive to their lives until they need their $299 all inclusive vacation, Americans, for the most part, view airports as a vital part of their local economy.fish4life wrote:How does it work in the US? Is it a bit different because they have "corporate airports" and "airline airports"?
This weeks weather has caused a bunch of delays/ cancellations in the airlines world why shouldn't corporate suffer the same fate?
I can only imagine the trouble you corporate guys are going through.
The situation is no different than a restaurant with 30 tables, but 70 parties show up to eat. An ATC provided ground delay program is desirable because, rather than a huge lineup outside (airborne holds), the restaurant traffic controller tells people to not leave home until a certain time, so when they arrive they get a table right away. Since people don't leave home exactly to the second they were assigned, and their time enroute to the restaurant varies because of traffic, red lights, etc, a small lineup at the door is desirable because, the minute a table is free, the new group can be seated, and no table slots are wasted.
The ground delay program allocates delays equally among all users who are filed into the program. These delays on the ground save fuel, airtime, etc., and the pilots/dispatchers can plan proper fuel, consolidate flights, manage duty day issues, etc.
The GTAA has published it's own protocol because it owns the airport and operates it as it sees fit. They dictate preferential runways due to noise abatement during night operations, but in terms of runway assignment for minimizing delay, that is driven primarily by the airline customers. Don't like a 25 kt crosswind component and want rwy 33? Talk to your company who demands an east west configuration to minimize delays.
Bizav flying to the corporate airports encounter demand rarely approaches capacity and therefore less potential for delay.fish4life wrote:How does it work in the US? Is it a bit different because they have "corporate airports" and "airline airports"?
ATC slots are published "day of" when the GDP is issued.Pratt X 3 wrote:The airlines have been getting tons of flow delays with this construction as well and they have slots published 6 months in advance.
Obviously you haven't flown to the major airports when they are constrained due to construction or weather. Convective weather & Snow causes a GDP into ORD at least weekly. The NY 3 have GDPs several times a week. SFO GDP happens basically daily, where ground delays of 2-4 hrs are routine. LAX had construction all last summer and was the same as YYZ today. Keep in mind these US airports have much higher capacity than demand on a routine basis, whereas YYZ demand is regularly at maximum capacity for 4-5 hrs a day during the week. Even Augusta GA runs a GDP during the masters. And also keep in mind this is just speaking of GDPs. The local flow control for every center issues routine traffic departure delays (apreq) independent or on top of the GDP. Never flown YYZ to the eastern seaboard major airports? Ever notice the rj's holding near the deice bay with engines off and apu running waiting for an apreq time?cdnpilot77 wrote:I've never had any issue planning and going into any non-military airport in the USA. Unlike Canadians who see airports as a hassle and disruptive to their lives until they need their $299 all inclusive vacation, Americans, for the most part, view airports as a vital part of their local economy.
GDP slot times must be adhered to by the tower controller at the departure airport within +- 5 min.cdnpilot77 wrote:Frustrating is an understatement...we had 2 airplanes departing south Florida delayed by flow last week and I just learned of a second one tonight being delayed by flow and will have less than 15min window to meet the closing of their slot time. I just don't get it.
Lots of people wanted to eat breakfast at the yyz restaurant on Saturday, and you couldn't get a table until half an hour later.skypirate88 wrote:Tried to leave YQB this morning. We took a 30 minute flow delay at 6 am on a Saturday.
I can only imagine the trouble you corporate guys are going through.