CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by cjp » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:05 am

Jet Jockey wrote:
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Can't believe Global Express, Gulfstream 550/650 and 7X captains don't make more then indicated on that pay scale

They do. The 650/550 pilots in Calgary are well over 200k and my friend just got on a Global out of YYZ, over 200k.

As stated earlier, it seems the numbers are purposely low for some reason.... take them with scepticism, and try to get the actual numbers for pilots on the field.
Count me in that group plus many others in CYUL.
I'm guessing Captains versus First Officers regarding north of 200k.
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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by CYYC/CYBW » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:58 am

cjp wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:05 am

I'm guessing Captains versus First Officers regarding north of 200k.
Yes. Most larger Corporate is run In a co-captain scenario, so FO wages are harder to pin down.

I know an FO that was making 120k in 2017/2018. His upgrade put him over 200k.

So if things have gone up by 10-15% as suggested earlier, an FO SHOULD still be around 130-140k for 2020.

I have talked to a few people who have said they would take an FO spot on a large corporate for under 100k, so obviously if the company doesn’t care about experience, then the going rate of an FO could be as low as 80k. There is always someone who is dumb enough to chase the carrot of “be an FO for a couple years at crap pay, and then we MAYBE will upgrade you” It’s a common corporate tactic to get pilots to take less than the usual rate or what they are worth and I’m sure lots would knowingly do this.
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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by cjp » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:43 pm

CYYC/CYBW wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:58 am
cjp wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:05 am

I'm guessing Captains versus First Officers regarding north of 200k.
Yes. Most larger Corporate is run In a co-captain scenario, so FO wages are harder to pin down.

I know an FO that was making 120k in 2017/2018. His upgrade put him over 200k.

So if things have gone up by 10-15% as suggested earlier, an FO SHOULD still be around 130-140k for 2020.

I have talked to a few people who have said they would take an FO spot on a large corporate for under 100k, so obviously if the company doesn’t care about experience, then the going rate of an FO could be as low as 80k. There is always someone who is dumb enough to chase the carrot of “be an FO for a couple years at crap pay, and then we MAYBE will upgrade you” It’s a common corporate tactic to get pilots to take less than the usual rate or what they are worth and I’m sure lots would knowingly do this.
Roger. It's nice to see healthy wages on the long range jets.
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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by Jet Jockey » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:41 pm

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Roger. It's nice to see healthy wages on the long range jets.
We run co-captains but obviously there is still seniority within the group with the older captains making more money.

You start at the bottom of the scale (don't know what it is anymore) and once you hit the maximum we usually get cost of living plus 1%.

Also, regardless of the type you fly in our outfit, you are on the same pay scale. So guys flying the CL60 get the same pay as the guys on the BD700.
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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by cjp » Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:12 pm

Jet Jockey wrote:
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Roger. It's nice to see healthy wages on the long range jets.
We run co-captains but obviously there is still seniority within the group with the older captains making more money.

You start at the bottom of the scale (don't know what it is anymore) and once you hit the maximum we usually get cost of living plus 1%.

Also, regardless of the type you fly in our outfit, you are on the same pay scale. So guys flying the CL60 get the same pay as the guys on the BD700.
Very interesting. I guess it helps keep guys happy on the machine they want to fly, rather than being forced to chase tin for dollars. Big wings, big bags.
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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by Wammer » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:06 am

So an FO on a GV in Vancouver should be looking at $100+ then I would think?
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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by Freeport_Flyer » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:28 pm

The last line in the graphic shows FO on long range aircraft has a range from $62k - $105k as the base salary. Given the current market I would expect recent hiring to be toward the upper end of that spectrum. Comparably, you can go to a regional, upgrade to left seat in a year and make over $100k easy with just picking up some OT as well as pension / RRSP matching. The competition for experience is heating up and we, as pilots, can be more selective in what we are willing to accept. We just have to keep the "I'll do anything to fly a GV" types in line so they don't drag us all down.

Stay strong brother! I would say if you have the experience to sit right seat in GV / 650 / Global you're worth more in the current market.

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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by cjp » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:12 pm

Wammer wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:06 am
So an FO on a GV in Vancouver should be looking at $100+ then I would think?
Yes.
Freeport_Flyer wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:28 pm
The last line in the graphic shows FO on long range aircraft has a range from $62k - $105k as the base salary....

My 2 cents...
Pay is based on experience, not just metal unfortunately. I have in the past seen ads for FO's on Global's asking for an ATPL and 1500 hrs - you literally haven't got a leg to stand on when it comes to negotiating pay if you are bottom of the barrel.

If you have some relevant experience - you would be top tier pay nowadays, no question. The spots I've seen with unreasonably low pay and working conditions, I'm sorry to say - are based mostly in Quebec.
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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by rippey » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:56 pm

The last line in the graphic shows FO on long range aircraft has a range from $62k - $105k as the base salary.
I imagine that range is from a pretty small data set. I’d guess that 90% of the globals/gulfstreams in Canada are operated with two captains up front. Not sure the exact number but at my company out of 20+ global drivers I can think of only one that’s an f/o. Seems the progression is usually f/o on a small jet, to captain on a small jet, and then it seems like it’s pretty common to keep the left seat as one moves into bigger machines.
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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by cjp » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:58 pm

rippey wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:56 pm
The last line in the graphic shows FO on long range aircraft has a range from $62k - $105k as the base salary.
I imagine that range is from a pretty small data set. I’d guess that 90% of the globals/gulfstreams in Canada are operated with two captains up front. Not sure the exact number but at my company out of 20+ global drivers I can think of only one that’s an f/o. Seems the progression is usually f/o on a small jet, to captain on a small jet, and then it seems like it’s pretty common to keep the left seat as one moves into bigger machines.
That's actually a really good point.
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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by Jet Jockey » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:14 pm

In our operation all pilots are captains.
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Re: CBAA 2019 Compensation Survey

Post by Spanner13 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:44 pm

Great news on the salaries for the jet drivers.
Does anyone have the numbers from the survey for the maintenance side ? I know there out there somewhere!
Feel free to PM me if you have info.
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