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Citation II informations

#1 Post by sbtn » Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:25 am

Hi,
I'm looking for informations from guys flying or operating Citation II.
Is it reasonable to think operate a Citation II for legs between 1000 and 1400 NM with 6 pax and 2 pilots.
Can I have an idea of time and consumption for such legs at different power setting?
And do you have the average operating cost per hour in canada for 500 H/year and 1000H/year

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Re: Citation II informations

#2 Post by yfly » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:01 pm

It has been a while for me sbtn but range/payload is one of the weaker area for a straight II. You may make 1000, but not much more. Never took full fuel due to weight limits. Full fuel required no pax. Can't remember any operating costs but try a broker and they can supply you the Conklin de Decker operating data and costs.
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Re: Citation II informations

#3 Post by Sulako » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:21 pm

First of all, you'll need the 14,500 t/o increased gross weight modification in order to make the plane usable. You will be able to do almost full fuel with 6 male pax, but 1,400 miles is pushing it. We do Toronto - Houston and Toronto - Nassau direct, and both of those are pretty much on the outer limits of the aircraft range.

However, if you want to spend another 1. 8 million, then add the FJ-44 engines to the plane and you'll be able to do 8 pax and 1,400 miles nonstop :D

For a straight Citation II, a good guide for fuel burn is 1,400 lbs first hour, 1000 lbs second hour, and 800 lbs/hr for anything beyond 2 hours. The plane will carry 5,008 lbs of fuel and block about 350 kts. Yup, they are built for comfort instead of speed :)

If you are kept low for most of the trip, then fuel burn can increase a fair amount. For a 50 minute flight from Toronto - Teterboro we will burn 1,600 lbs of fuel because New York ATC keeps us at 6,000' 100 miles out. I'm not bitching, I totally understand why they do it (Newark, JFK, LaGuardia etc), I'm just saying that your flight profile will really affect your fuel burn.

As far as cost goes, if you maintain the aircraft like you should you will average about 500 bucks per hour on maintenance/upgrades and another 250/hour on engine reserves, and you'll burn about 160 gallons of jet-a per hour over the course of a year's worth of flying both short and long routes. If you only fly long trips, then your fuel burn will go down and you might get as low as 130 gallons/hour for an average. Figure out your fuel cost by multiplying the price you pay by the fuel burn and you'll get a pretty good idea of the direct operating cost of the aircraft.
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Re: Citation II informations

#4 Post by sbtn » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:53 pm

Thank's very much guys!
Exactly what I needed.Yours answers are very helpfull.
Probably I would have more questions later.
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