UPDATED Apr 8/2015 G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

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UPDATED Apr 8/2015 G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by bizjets101 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:07 am

Was told last night it was N121JM but still awaiting confirmation.

Aircraft was departing runway 11 at KBED at 21:40 last night, and over-ran/aborted??, take-off and erupted in a ball of flames - all 7 fatal.

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NTSB confirms aircraft as N121JM - on board 2 pilots, 1 cabin crew, 4 passengers.
Aircraft remains are 2000 feet off of runway KBED - aircraft crashed thru localizer, sheared off gear, thru airport perimeter fence, into gully and struck berm. All but cockpit consumed by post crash fire - there was no communication between the aircraft and tower once take off run commenced.
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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by bizjets101 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:17 am

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Aircraft's AOC SK travel LLC - has 2 principals: Emil W. Solimine & Lewis Katz both from Livingston NJ.
Katz - ex owner of NJ Devils was on board.

METAR Weather report:
00:56 UTC / 20:56 local time:
KBED 010056Z 00000KT 10SM CLR 09/04 A3027 RMK AO2 SLP264 T00940044

01:56 UTC / 21:56 local time:
KBED 010156Z 00000KT 10SM CLR 08/06 A3028 RMK AO2 SLP268 T00780056
Wind: calm; Visibility: 10 or more miles; sky clear below 12,000 feet AGL; Temperature: 8°C, Dewpoint: 6°C; Pressure 1025 mb

Gulfstream G-IVSP msn 1399 delivered new as N499GA to Rim Air LLC Nov 13 2000, re-registered N121JM, Nov 15 2000, transferred to SK Travel LLC June 22 2007
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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by bizjets101 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:50 pm

Google Maps aircraft hit berm and stopped - in ravine at end of runway 11 - reminds me of Lear 60 N999LJ fatal over run that impacted the berm after blowing a tyre; N999LJ Avcanada.

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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by bizjets101 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:42 pm

A bit of an update, crew had been flying this aircraft together for almost ten years.

Captain has 18,500 hours total and Co-Pilot 11,000 hour total (unknown details)

In the cockpit the flaps were set for 10 degrees - though the wreckage is sitting in a river and they haven't been able to access it further to confirm actual flap settings.

Maintenance records have been recovered, aircraft had 4,950 hours (2000 build G-IVSP)

My internet has crashed at home, but can access Facebook and Gmail for some reason, so I'll post updated photos from today on my FB; https://www.facebook.com/biz.jets?ref=tn_tnmn
and take the link down tomorrow and post some photo links here.
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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by NovaBoy » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:56 am

Thanks for the update and pics. We are a regular visitor to KBED. So this accident hits close to home.
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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by bizjets101 » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:35 pm

Youtube 23 seconds long

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Voice and Data recorders recovered yesterday.

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Luke Schiada looks on as recorders are recovered.

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Just a note; aircraft was due to depart earlier but had been delayed for unknown reasons, it was only flying a short flight from Bedford MA to Atlantic City NJ - it didn't take on fuel the airport - flaps were possibly only set to 10 degrees - wondering if they started their roll from an intersection???
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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by jpilot77 » Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:25 pm

I am also into Bedford weekly and this also hits close to home.
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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by bizjets101 » Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:19 pm

Little more info - CVR and FDR recorded everything.

Doesn't confirm where on the runway the run started but is sounds like threshold.

Normal takeoff - call out 80 knots, V1, Rotate, aircraft did not rotate - not being specific what
was said, but pilots confirmed loss of control - speed at 165 knots.

Thrust reversers deployed, heavy braking - 7 seconds later - last recorded speed 100 knots

from start of take off to end of cvr tape 49 seconds.

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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by amraam » Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:43 am

Rob,

Just curious if you have any sources for your photos and comments about the investigation.

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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by bizjets101 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:02 pm

Luka head NTSB Senior Investigator in charge of N121JM investigation.

Just gathering info now - but their concern is how and why 'loss of control' at rotation ???

There should be a preliminary report released by next Thursday - nobody is talking until then.
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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by leftoftrack » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:24 am

Gust locks were engaged. How the hell is there not a warning for this. Either a physical restriction on bringing up the power leavers or an audible warring horn?
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Re: Gulfstream G-IV fatal crash Bedford MA May 31 2014

Post by bizjets101 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:16 pm

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Craig R. McCoy Aubrey Whelan, and Dylan Purcell, Inquirer Staff Writers
Last updated: Wednesday, April 8, 2015, 7:03 PM
Posted: Wednesday, April 8, 2015, 11:44 AM

Cockpit transcripts of the last moments before a Gulfstream jet crashed last year in Massachusetts, killing Inquirer co-owner Lewis Katz and six others, show the pilots suddenly realizing they had tried to take off with their tail elevators locked.

"Lock is on," the pilot said over and over, seven times in all, as the aircraft accelerated down the runway at Hanscom Field, outside Boston.

His next and last words were "I can't stop it," then "oh no no."

The Gulfstream G-IV crashed and burst into flames at 9:40 p.m. on May 31, as it sought to take off for Atlantic City after Katz and his friends had attended a Saturday fund-raiser at the home of historian Doris Kearns Goodwin. All who were aboard died.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20150 ... CKAXzlc.99
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Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:11 pm

That is insane that in modern times, an engaged gustlock does not trigger some sort of "no takeoff" warning
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