And another Ottawa plane crash... near Calabogie

[grimey]

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/police-con ... a-1.987661

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/st ... crash.html

Doesn't sound good. Radio said the cops reported the aircraft was "blown apart".

[tonyhunt]

Not many Socatas in this area. Not my Trinidad, just traded texts with my partner.

[bizjets101]

C-FBKK http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFBKK

TBM 700 Timmins based Only person on board fatal.

Aircraft was brand new and only registered September 18 2012.

added; from FlightAware

[PilotDAR]

That's sad. I was parked beside this aircraft on the ramp at Buttonville a few days ago, and appreciating its beautiful lines, and newness....

[boogs82]

Last CBC video....sounds like the pilot wasn't the owner. The owner is very well-known in Timmins so that's a bit of a bittersweet relief.

[Doc]

I know quite a few folks in the business in YTS. If someone could PM me any details that would be great. It goes without saying it would remain on the QT.
Thanks

[razorblade]

I know flightaware isn't the most accurate, but why the sudden spike in altitude after 10,000 and then the sudden drop? what would cause that?

[Tech88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG_d0vRsd80

Video of it at Buttonville a few days ago..

[cgzro]

Are the beeps on short final the stall warning?

[grimey]

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/excellent- ... a-1.987661

The plane’s owner, Lorenzo Girones, identified the pilot as Bob Reany of Port Elgin, Ont., who was well-known in the flight community.

Reany was training Girones to fly the Socata TBM700 aircraft.

[bizjets101]

Video link from post above, Bob Reany and Lorenzo Girones landing at CYKZ Buttonville Saturday Oct 6 2012.



C-FBKK TBM850

[whistlerboy02]

This is the second TBM 850 in half a year on a fleet thats pretty small in size.
viewtopic.php?f=118&t=78510
They both finished the same way with a long, fall,spin, spiral, whatever from altitude. Maybe this type doesnt like max climb up high?
You wouldnt think climbing at 1200fpm at 26,000 ft would get you into trouble, maybe the first crash wasnt, ice but a max climb, autopilot into the stall event. Or was there any ice in Ottawa on Monday?
Time will tell I watched the vid and if some of that glass panel survived they should get some good data

[goingmach_1]

This is the second TBM 850 in half a year on a fleet thats pretty small in size.
viewtopic.php?f=118&t=78510
They both finished the same way with a long, fall,spin, spiral, whatever from altitude. Maybe this type doesnt like max climb up high?
You wouldnt think climbing at 1200fpm at 26,000 ft would get you into trouble, maybe the first crash wasnt, ice but a max climb, autopilot into the stall event. Or was there any ice in Ottawa on Monday?
Time will tell I watched the vid and if some of that glass panel survived they should get some good data

Doing a little math, and using the info here, has a ground distance of 30 nm from Carp to Calabogie so, assuming the aircraft took off and got un-restricted climb to FL260, which may or may not be able due to ATC, would mean if the aircraft had a ground speed of 120kts, it would have to average 1733ft/min. That is quite, either aggressive or impressive, which ever way you look at it. I was out in the atmosphere yesterday arriving in CYOW around 1800lcl, and descending from the SW from FL410, the upper wind was from the SW. No icing in cloud for our decent. Though we were 3 hours after this crash and a lot can change in that time.

So sad to hear about another Aviator losing their life. The new style avionics should have some data on it.

[bizjets101]

GATINEAU, QC, Oct. 9, 2012 /CNW/ - The Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) will hold a news briefing this afternoon at 2 pm., to provide preliminary information on its investigation of the fatal accident involving a Socata TBM 700 aircraft near Calabogie, Ontario on 8 October 2012.

The Investigator-in-Charge will provide preliminary information on the investigation and explain the TSB's investigative process.

When: 9 October 2012 at 2:00 p.m.
Who: Ewan Tasker, Investigator-in-Charge
Where: The junction of Tiperrary Camp Trail and Centenial Lake Road (County Road 65)

This event is for media only. Media representatives will need to show their outlet identification

Photo from crash site, not much left.

CADORS 2012O2979

The privately-registered Socata TBM-700 aircraft was on an IFR flight from Ottawa (Carp) Airport (CYRP) to Wiarton Airport (CYVV). NAV CANADA staff reported that the pilot was cleared to FL260, which was read back. The aircraft was observed (on radar) climbing through FL270 and then it commenced a very rapid descent. At approximately 12:18 EDT (1618Z), the flight crew of an Air Canada flight (ACA451) overflying Renfrew/Black Donald Lake waterdrome (CPK8) reported seeing an aircraft enter a steep dive and impact the ground, about 20NM west of Carp, ON. J.R.C.C. Trenton staff dispatched search and rescue helicopters. The pilot, the sole occupant, was fatally injured. The aircraft was destroyed.

Note; pilot filed Carp to Goderich, then changed destination to Wiarton.

[url=hhttp://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA451/history/20121008/1600Z/CYOW/CYYZ]Flightaware ACA451[/url]

Flightaware C-FBKK

[YVRtoYYZ]

Sad to hear about Bob's passing. Worked with him on dozens - if not hundreds - of occasions and have nothing but positive things to say about his professionalism and due diligence towards flying as well as his pleasant personality.

A big loss to the S. Ont flying community.

[Doc]

Beautiful airplanes. I know nothing about them.....except, if I had the bucks...
Sorry to hear about it.

[bizjets101]

N850AJ imported Sept 10 2012, registered C-FBKK Sept 18 2012

TBM 850 info and photos hull value approx. 3.2 million dollars.

[Old fella]

Sad and tragic indeed, heartfelt condolences to that gentleman’s family.

[Colonel Sanders]

I find it mindblowing that a 26,000 hr pilot's
career could come to such a tragic end, in an
airplane like that, on an incredibly beautiful day.

My condolences,

[Rookie50]

My condolences. How sad. Perhaps a medical incident? Just a thought.

[skymarc]

Tragic, RIP. I never met Bob Reany but I heard he was a good pilot and experienced on the TBM.
I know he flown Efis 40 equipped TBMs, was he proficient on the G1000 and GFC 700 a/p ?

[oldncold]

sad day my condolences to the family and friends .

to me this sounds like a "classic" case of of a massive heart attack in flight, before slagging me look at what we do know >
1/experienced pilot
2/very well equipped serviceable aircraft
3/suitable conditions for the flight/no tstorms etc

the alt goes to 27000, then sprials down to impact, pilot heart attack begins grabs control pulls towards him alt increases to fl270 aircraft stalls pilot slumps foward on controls . Im hoping that the autopsy will shed some light on this for 2 reasons one that pilot error was not the cause and 2 for the friends n family to have some comfort in knowing that he passed on doing something he loved to do, and did not suffer .

[DowneastGuy]

Another possibility is a pressurization/lack of oxygen problem.

[Doc]

sad day my condolences to the family and friends .

to me this sounds like a "classic" case of of a massive heart attack in flight, before slagging me look at what we do know >
1/experienced pilot
2/very well equipped serviceable aircraft
3/suitable conditions for the flight/no tstorms etc

the alt goes to 27000, then sprials down to impact, pilot heart attack begins grabs control pulls towards him alt increases to fl270 aircraft stalls pilot slumps foward on controls . Im hoping that the autopsy will shed some light on this for 2 reasons one that pilot error was not the cause and 2 for the friends n family to have some comfort in knowing that he passed on doing something he loved to do, and did not suffer .

As stated, I know nothing about the aircraft. How old was Bob? The lack of 02 from a pressure problem Downeastguy points out could also have been the problem. We may never know the cause of this one. Sad day for sure. I don't expect anyone will "slag" you for this , oldncold.....very possible scenarios.

[PilotDAR]

Okay, I'm not slagging, though I'm gently rising to not support idle speculation about the cause of accidents either, in most cases. An exception to this would be a situation where an informed aviation person has information which may in an immediate sense contribute to preventing another such accident in the near term, and this situation is possible.

However, from what I have read here, such informed information does not seem to be emerging, to present vital causal insights useful in further prevention. Speculation on a pilot's medical condition is a long way from this, there is nothing new in understanding the requirements for medical fitness, and risks associated with sudden events, and discussing them on a public forum does not really benefit anyone.

In the "old days" a bunch of pilots would sit around on a rainy day, and hanger talk such events - but that group had awareness of the audience. On a forum, that awareness does not exist, an more caution is appropriate. When things are written, they somehow can take on an air of authority, even though they were maybe not written to present information.

My personal choice may be to enter into discussions of general piloting behavior, and how safety and awareness can be improved (CFIT, or fuel management for example) following an accident, where factual information points to that s a cause. My personal choice is to not speculate about possible sudden consciousness changes, or other possible medical conditions as they relate to accidents, again, unless it's linked to a factual report of an aircraft system failure. All of us pilots know that we are honour bound to maintain our health as best we can, and not act as flight crew if we suspect we are not medically fit. Other than that, we owe it to each other to be quietly supportive and empathetic, but not speculate, in my opinion.

But, this is not a slagging, just my personal approach to these situations, for what it is worth....