"C-GYJX, a float-equipped Cessna A185F aircraft operated by Atleo River Air Service, was
conducting a flight from Tofino Harbour (CAB4), BC to Ahousat, BC with 1 pilot and 2 passengers
on board. During the landing at Ahousat in gusty wind conditions, the pilot landed long, and the
aircraft was unable to stop before running into shoreline rocks. There were no injuries. The aircraft
received substantial damage limited to the aircraft's floats."
Ok seriously, digging the heel of the floats in or a sudden turn may do it, however, I am still in favour of an ejection seat !
I have a fair amount of float plane flying but never received training in putting the nose down to shorten a landing.Not a floatplane pilot. Suspect "not very"
So I am interested to find out if such training has been added to float plane handling.
For sure I never tried it because if I were about to run into the shoreline I would rather hit the rocks and damage the floats than flip the airplane over trying to stop it.
On which kind of floats?Works good in a twin otter.
My question is why would you need to use it on any airplane ?
Especially a Twin Otter.
CAP floats. Sometimes you need to land really short. Perhaps your experience flying twins on floats differed from mine, but I always found stick forward and full reverse worked well for stopping really short.
Yes CAP floats on the Twin Otter allowed a fair amount of nose down during the landing, however considering the availability of reverse to shorten the landing I tended to not use nose down because I just did not feel comfortable using that technique.CAP floats. Sometimes you need to land really short. Perhaps your experience flying twins on floats differed from mine, but I always found stick forward and full reverse worked well for stopping really short.
It was a personal choice.
Shut down the engine and hope the damage will be minimal? Even on pavement, brakes can only do so much. The mistakes have already been made at that point, and -unfortunately- you can't fix every mistake at any time.pelmet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:31 pmWith very minimal float experience and all of it on a nice long river, I wonder what a pilot does once they have touched down and discovered that they landed too long. On pavement, one jumps on the brakes. Is there anything that can be done at all, or do you just sit there and wait for impact with the far shoreline.
This is key. This is why a good pilot stays a minute or so ahead of the plane - "from where I am now, where could this plane be one minute from now?". If the answer is bad, adjust something now, later may be too late.The mistakes have already been made at that point, and -unfortunately- you can't fix every mistake at any time.
Finding yourself hanging on to a sinking plane is very unpleasant - avoid! I would rather run up on shore, if that seemed to be a choice. The better choice is to avoid landing into places which exceed your skill. I have spent hundreds of water landings, including yesterday, refining my technique into areas of known dimension. I like to choose features in the body of water, which I can check later on Google earth, to see how much space I'd used. Underwater hazards notwithstanding, I find Google earth an excellent tool to assist in my decision making as to where I will operate on the water.
I was right seat decades back, when a step turn was used to prevent hitting shore in a 185. It worked, but scared the heck out of me! I asked the pilot owner: "If you lent me your plane, and though I would do that in it, would you lend it to me again?". His sheepish reply was that hitting that spot on shore was where he wrecked his previous 185. With a little skill and control, I was able to land into the same little bay with space to spare.
beaver - works great
Norseman - also works well but a little caution on small floats
Cessna on EDO also works well but no aggressive moves
185 on whips - just push right to the stops
bch18 just ease it forward off the slippery point and keep it there.
Pick the largest gust and land in it and you won't land long in the first place.
Digging the heals is just wrong. I have watched so many guys skipping down the lake and even being lifted back into the air in a good gust.
Digging the floats works well. Have used it many times to stop, not from hitting the shore but to stop quicker especially in rough water. Works great in a Twin Otter in heavy seas. Pick the spot, plant it, stick full forward and full reverse at the same time. It also works great in stopping a Beech 18 quicker.
Say what now?
There's either some info missing or you're going to have a bad time really soon.
Ahhh..... that's not something I'd be trying 'cause I read it on the internet! Perhaps with competent instruction and supervision, but doing this can introduce huge risk if things aren't right. 'Ever found yourself trying to stay afloat next to a sinking plane?Push forward hard once its on the water it wont flip,but it will porpoise.
Howabout just fly proper landings which do not require dramatic action to correct....
Exactly.Howabout just fly proper landings which do not require dramatic action to correct....
One stuffs another wad of crew into their cheek and taxies back past the dock they intended to land by under the guise of “landed long on purpose to cool the engine”.
Seriously Pelmet, you’re a piece of work.