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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:25 pm 
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As with most breaking news from any media, the emphasis is on being the first to get the story out rather than to verify its accuracy.
For me, this report lost it's cred with the implication that he had four family members aboard with him.
Isn't that a four seater?
I suppose one could have been a babe-in-arms but why let the truth get in the way?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:35 pm 
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Oops:my bad, was a six-seater!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:41 pm 
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Location: On the ground if I'm writing this.....
A piper lance is a 6 seater.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:01 am 
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So how did the plane get from the highway back to the airport? Fresh battery, more fuel, up...up...and away? Or take it apart to fit onto a flatbed? Would it fly with that damage? Would they let the guy who landed it there take it off again?


Nopilot, just some guy that lives off the end of a runway, watches planes a lot, and can't resist Avcanada with all the characters, drama, and so many differing opinions it is hard to tell who to bet on.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:04 am 
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Krimson wrote:
FlyGy wrote:
Wouldn't this be an appropriate time to fly the triangle? I thought that's what the manoeuvre was for. I've got an app for my cell phone that would make a decent nav backup in a situation like this, provided the battery is charged of course.



Fly the triangle?

Nav backup, do you mean google maps for an approximate location, or an actual app that is intended for aviation? (Just out of curiosity...I wouldn't mind adding that to my phone)



It is in the CFS, Put a old copy in the can and give it a read. I find it gets the job done faster. :smt040


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:32 pm 
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http://www.am980.ca/channels/news/local ... ID=1739353


Pilot Recounts Miraculous Plane Landing on Highway 402 in Pitch Black
AM980 News

7/16/2012

The pilot who managed to safely land a small plane on the 402, east of Sarnia, says he wasn't scared, and never considered the possibility his dangerous descent could end in disaster.

62-year-old Leo Arseneau of Sudbury is speaking publicly about his hair raising journey for the first time in an exclusive interview with AM980.

Arseneau, and four family members - including his wife, son, and grandson - had left Oshawa early Friday evening, and started noticing problems just 20 minutes outside Sarnia around 9 p.m.

"It was an electrical failure, which started the whole problem. The electrical failure caused the gear failure, because the gear initially requires electricity to come down."

An emergency system, however, allowed Arseneau to bring all three landing gears down, and the plane continued towards Chris Hadfield Airport in Sarnia.

It would turn out to be the first of several challenges Arseneau faced while trying to safely land the single-engine Piper Lance aircraft.

The next issue was darkness.

"At night, everything looks like a runway." Arseneau said.

"The roads look like runways, plowed fields look like runways. I'd landed there a number of times before, and I knew from my charts where it was - approximately - but without the precision of the instruments you can't go to the point. There was no one to call at the airport to assist, and so we started looking for the airport - but we just couldn't find it."

Under normal circumstances, runway lights are activated by instruments onboard an aircraft. In the case of Arseneau's plane, dealing with an electrical failure, that wasn't an option. Making matters worse, he said, was the lack of a back-up system at the airport.

"The problem with Sarnia airport, it doesn't have a beacon. Apparently it had one some years ago, but it doesn't anymore - and I don't understand why."

Unable to determine exactly where the airport was, Arseneau got in touch with air traffic control who advised him to try landing at Windsor or London International Airport instead.

That's when another problem emerged.

"The fuel gauges were showing completely empty." he said.

"They had a little bit left when I was circling the airport, but then they were completely empty. At that point, doubt is starting to creep in - is there some kind of a fuel leak?"

Arseneau decided he could not risk a flight to Windsor or London, and had to do his best to bring the plane down as fast as he could.

It was 10 p.m.

"I saw what was a four lane highway going west, and in my mind I'm thinking 'this must be the 402.' Just as I turned towards the 402, the engine sputtered pretty badly. The airplane has two tanks, it pumps the fuel up so you have to use one tank - and you can go back and forth. So, immediately I switched tanks - and it lasted for 10 or 15 seconds, and it sputtered badly as if it was going to die. I had to make a decision, so I decided to land on this nice long runway, which was the 402."

Already dealing with electrical failures, gear failures, no fuel, and just beginning to attempt a risky landing on a busy highway, Arseneau was faced with yet another challenge - this one, quite literally, unforeseen.

"You couldn't see initially, but there was an overpass there. So when I saw the overpass, I was getting closer to it, and I had to decide whether I was going to go over it, or under it." he said.

Arseneau decided to go over it.

"I managed to get over an overpass that was kind of in my way, and landed without any landing lights. I was able to gauge where the middle of the road was, approximately, from looking at the cars that were down the road about half a mile or so. Fortunately, there were no cars beneath me, or in front of me, so when I landed - I wasn't in any danger of hitting anyone."

The plane safely landed with neither himself, nor his family any worse for wear - the drama didn't end there.

"We scrambled out of the airplane, because now we're sitting on the 402. The road is only 24 feet wide - the airplane is over 33 feet wide. So I moved it over as far as I could to the left without going into the ditch. Then we scrambled out of the airplane, got everybody out safely. Then my son and I ran down the highway, trying to stop vehicles. Three or four vehicles went by, including a transport truck - and (amazingly) he never touched the airplane."

A passing van, however, did - clipping the right wing tip. Luckily, no one in the van was injured. Arseneau and his family were also well back of the plane at that point, and weren't harmed either. The van, and the plane's wing tip, though, did sustain some damage.

All westbound lanes of the 402 between Oil Heritage Road and Mandaumin Road were closed for several hours until the plane could be removed.

In the days since the near miraculous landing, Arseneau has had some time to reflect and says his reaction to the ordeal surprised him.

"I walked away from that aircraft, and in my mind - my heartbeat didn't go up a notch. No sweat, no nothing. I credit the training, I guess. I'm not a 'cool hand Luke' guy, so the training must've just taken over. I just focused on what I had to do to get the airplane down safely, if possible. I didn't give any thought to the possibility I'm going to die. It didn't really hit me until I landed, and I thought about it."

During the white knuckled descent, Arseneau's family members "weren't calm, but they weren't yelling" either, he said.

"I wasn't worried, I just thought I could get the plane down safely and it turns out I was right. But, let's hope I don't have to test those skills again." he chuckled.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:36 pm 
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nopilot wrote:
So how did the plane get from the highway back to the airport? Fresh battery, more fuel, up...up...and away? Or take it apart to fit onto a flatbed? Would it fly with that damage? Would they let the guy who landed it there take it off again?




I'm assuming they towed it, since it was parked in the car parking lot there (where the pictures were taken in the one of the links I posted previously). He was only about 5 miles from the airport.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:31 pm 
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DanJ wrote:

That's when another problem emerged.

"The fuel gauges were showing completely empty." he said.

"They had a little bit left when I was circling the airport, but then they were completely empty. At that point, doubt is starting to creep in - is there some kind of a fuel leak?"


Umm, not familiar with the Piper Lance....do the fuel guages even work when there is no power?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:12 pm 
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Ah. I would have not even thought of doing that. I don't think I was taught it either, just kind of mentioned. I believe it means different things depending on the direction flown as well?

With all the technology we have up there with us, it seems like theres always a method of communicating. I had a complete avionics failure one day, not a problem at all, looked up the emergency number in the cfs for the MF radio, told him what I was going to do and what time I would be overhead. Next day, went up with my headset plugged into a handheld and got a new radio installed the day after.

In the case of the original poster, I don't think the triangle would have helped him as he was running low on fuel. I wonder when it was last used.



I was amazed that the triangle was barely mentioned (if at all) through my entire PPL, and only touched on during pre-exam CPL studying/briefing. Given the comments by other, more seasoned pilots as well, I see I'm not alone and wonder why this proper emergency maneuver isn't more ingrained!! There may not even be a question (or only one) about it on either exams. During the CPL grilling the examiner quizzed me on them, I had already well memorized the pattern+directions for my own safety, as someone who is entirely paranoid of becoming lost or out of options.

Now, I understand the issue of what exactly a second plane, 30 minutes later, can do for you depending on the nature of your emergency, but it's just another option when you need as many as you can think of!!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:26 am 
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DanWEC wrote:
I was amazed that the triangle was barely mentioned (if at all) through my entire PPL, and only touched on during pre-exam CPL studying/briefing. Given the comments by other, more seasoned pilots as well, I see I'm not alone and wonder why this proper emergency maneuver isn't more ingrained!! There may not even be a question (or only one) about it on either exams. During the CPL grilling the examiner quizzed me on them, I had already well memorized the pattern+directions for my own safety, as someone who is entirely paranoid of becoming lost or out of options.

Now, I understand the issue of what exactly a second plane, 30 minutes later, can do for you depending on the nature of your emergency, but it's just another option when you need as many as you can think of!!


I think it has gotten lost in technology. With so many other options available onboard, cell phone, portable GPS, handheld radio, etc; it is unlikely to be in a state where that chance of another plane flying beside you 30min later is going to help.


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