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3 missing in plane Northern ontario..

Post by oldncold » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:59 pm

Just saw cbc report saying search underway for 3 people missing in plane. Northern ontario. Hope for positive result :prayer:
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Post by howard40 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:30 pm

georgian bay sudbury? ish area?
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Post by GyvAir » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:40 pm

Military aircraft have joined the search for a Piper airplane with three people on board that left Sudbury, Ont., and had to make an emergency landing.

OPP were advised on Tuesday afternoon that the aircraft was having engine problems. Radio contact was lost, but the plane was reportedly about 20 kilometres south of Sudbury and 18 kilometres west of Key River.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/m ... -1.2999023

This one says 60km south of Sudbury, which makes more sense with the Key River reference on the map:
http://barrie.ctvnews.ca/small-plane-wi ... -1.2284607
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Post by Heliian » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:57 am

No news yet this morning. Sar bh412 out now.
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Post by Heliian » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:21 am

Wreckage located. No other word.
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Post by Illya Kuryakin » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:20 am

Hope this turns out okay. The word "wreckage" doesn't sound encouraging. Fingers crossed.
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Post by jump154 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:34 pm

Does not look good.

TSB investigators dispatched http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/medias-med ... 150318.asp

@JRCCTrenton reports:

Fuselage of the Piper aircraft found by Canadian Coast Guard in collaboration with the OPP and 424 Squadron. @CCG_GCC

No confirmation yet on the status of persons onboard. Case handed over to @OPP.

Fingers still crossed
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Post by jump154 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:40 pm

OPP North East‏@OPP_NER·
UPDATE Plane Crash 3 bodies have been located at the scene of the crash near mouth of the Pickerel River . #OPP investigation ongoing

RIP.
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Post by Rookie50 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:22 pm

Very sorry to hear. Praying for families.
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Post by bizjets101 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:39 pm

from Sudbury Star

A well-known Sudbury lawyer, his wife and her caregiver were killed when their small plane crashed in French River Provincial Park on Tuesday.

The OPP confirmed Wednesday that the plane had been found at a remote, heavily wooded area near the mouth of the Pickerel and French rivers, and that three bodies had been found at the scene.

Police did not confirm the identities of the crash victims pending a coroner's investigation and notification of families, but sources have told the Star they are Leo Arseneau, his wife, Mary Lou and her caregiver, who had departed from Sudbury in Arseneau's Piper plane on Tuesday afternoon, headed for Florida.

Const. Miles Loach, community services officer with the West Parry Sound OPP, said during a press briefing at Henvey Inlet Wednesday that the bodies had yet to be recovered, but that a member of the OPP Emergency Response Team (ERT) was on scene.

More members of the ERT team and members of the OPP identification team, as well as the coroner and representatives of the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, went to the scene via helicopter Wednesday afternoon to investigate the crash.

Six ERT members were expected to spend the night at the site.

Rescue crews spotted the aircraft in the morning after an overnight search involving a helicopter and plane dispatched out of the Joint Rescue Co-ordination Centre in Trenton.

"It has been located in a very heavily wooded area," Loach said. "It took quite a while to find it."

An ERT member rappelled from a helicopter to the scene, Loach said, and he verified the numbers on the plane matched the aircraft which went missing Tuesday afternoon.

Shortly before 4 p.m. on Tuesday, Loach said, police had been advised of an aircraft having engine problems.

"They were turning around and heading back to Sudbury, which was the location they started from," Loach said.

Radio contact with the plane was lost not long afterward, but police believed the pilot planned to make an emergency landing on Georgian Bay, west of Key River.

"We were given different co-ordinates of where they were, which made finding them very difficult," Loach said. "That's when the helicopter and the plane came from Trenton to do the grid search. They were unsuccessful until it got dark and I believe they still searched during the night."

Searchers dropped flares at around 4 a.m. and police received co-ordinates of the possible crash site at 8:55 a.m.

"It's a very isolated area and it's treed, rocky, so to find that spot would have been very time-consuming," Loach said.

"You'd have to be very close to see the plane in the trees, because once it goes down into the trees, it's kind of hidden."

Once an aircraft drops below around 1,000 feet, radio contact is usually lost, so it's possible the craft could have flown for some distance after their last communication before crashing, further hampering search efforts.

OPP initially had snowmobiles ready to respond, Loach said, "but without knowing exactly where it is, if you're out on the bay, it could take you hours to get there by snowmachine. And where it is, it's not accessible by snowmachine at all, so they're going to have to use a helicopter to get in and do the recovery."

An area was being cleared so the OPP helicopter could land.

Arseneau, a seasoned pilot with around 25 years and 5,000 hours of flight experience, also made headlines in July 2012 for another emergency landing, this one on Highway 402 near Sarnia, Ont.

Arseneau had departed Sudbury for Oshawa, where he picked up his wife, his son, his daughter-in-law and infant grandson, before setting off again.

They were about 20 minutes away from Sarnia when the aircraft started having electrical problems, then the engine started to sputter, prompting the highway landing.

No one was injured in that incident and the plane suffered only minor damage to one wing when it hit a small sign along the roadside.
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Post by bobm » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:09 pm

This is sad. We knew Leo for a long time while we were in YSB. Actually, we maintained his aircraft back then. (10+ years ago). Don't know what else to say....our condolences to family,

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Post by BTD » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:45 pm

I find it irresponsible of the Sudbury star to report the names of the victims when they just said the families have yet to be notified. :?

My Condolences to the family.
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Post by bizjets101 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:35 pm

I'm going to guess the Sudbury Star uses cut and past, and updated their story
with some older info still in the story.
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Post by Tinker » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:08 am

This apparently was not an attempted forced landing. This plane broke up in the air.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/t ... -1.3006145
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Post by Redneck_pilot86 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:09 pm

I wonder if the engine trouble they reported was a misidentified vibration as things started to fail?
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Post by pelmet » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:42 pm

No reported engine problems. But, if it was broken up as stated, investigators will be looking closely to see if it was likely IMC conditions, dark night conditions, closely examining gyro instruments and pilot instrument flying experience.


"C-GDWA, a Piper PA-32RT-300T aircraft with three people on board departed Sudbury, Ontario on
an IFR flight to Winston Salem, North Carolina. Approximately 30 nm south of the Sudbury airport
at an altitude of 10000 feet, the pilot turned the aircraft back to Sudbury and advised ATC that the
flight was returning to land in Sudbury. This was the last radio communication from the pilot and no
reason was specified for the return.
ATC cleared the aircraft to a lower altitude and observed it
turning and descending on radar. During the descent, the aircraft disappeared from radar at 8800
feet, then reappeared momentarily at 6300 feet after which there were no further radar contacts.
Moments later, there was a brief signal from the aircraft's ELT which ended abruptly. A search for
the aircraft was commenced that night and the aircraft was subsequently located the following
morning. All three people on board had received fatal injuries. The aircraft suffered an in-flight
breakup and debris was found over an area covering approximately 1.25 nm. A post crash fire
destroyed most of the main wreckage."
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Post by Redneck_pilot86 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:48 pm

pelmet wrote:No reported engine problems. But, if it was broken up as stated, investigators will be looking closely to see if it was likely IMC conditions, dark night conditions, closely examining gyro instruments and pilot instrument flying experience.
GyvAir wrote:
Military aircraft have joined the search for a Piper airplane with three people on board that left Sudbury, Ont., and had to make an emergency landing.

OPP were advised on Tuesday afternoon that the aircraft was having engine problems. Radio contact was lost, but the plane was reportedly about 20 kilometres south of Sudbury and 18 kilometres west of Key River.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/m ... -1.2999023

This one says 60km south of Sudbury, which makes more sense with the Key River reference on the map:
http://barrie.ctvnews.ca/small-plane-wi ... -1.2284607
That being said, the CADORS only mentions a problem, doesn't specify engine trouble. The above is where I got my information, but we all know how useless the CBC is.
CADORS wrote:A Med-Law Aviation Inc. Piper PA-32RT-300T (C-GDWA) from Sudbury, ON (CYSB) to Winston-Salem, NC (KINT) was approximately 40 NM south of CYSB when the aircraft reported a problem and was returning to CYSB at 1930Z. Toronto area control centre (ACC) lost radar and communication with the aircraft at 1932Z.
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Post by pelmet » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:49 pm

I would count on the TSB report that I quoted(stating no report of an engine problem) as being more accurate than a near immediate aftermath report from the media.

In other words, there has been no engine malfunction evidence yet.

bizjets101 wrote: Arseneau, a seasoned pilot with around 25 years and 5,000 hours of flight experience, also made headlines in July 2012 for another emergency landing, this one on Highway 402 near Sarnia, Ont.

Arseneau had departed Sudbury for Oshawa, where he picked up his wife, his son, his daughter-in-law and infant grandson, before setting off again.

They were about 20 minutes away from Sarnia when the aircraft started having electrical problems, then the engine started to sputter, prompting the highway landing.

No one was injured in that incident and the plane suffered only minor damage to one wing when it hit a small sign along the roadside.
Odd that the engine started to sputter(if that really happened) in combination with an electrical failure. I wonder what the final story was on that.
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Post by Redneck_pilot86 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:00 pm

I was editing my previous post to agree with you as you posted your last.

That aircraft has had an interesting history:

Shortly after departure at 2340Z, a Med-Law Aviation Piper PA-32RT-300T (C-GDWA) from Sudbury, ON (CYSB) to Oshawa, ON (CYOO) indicated to Toronto, ON (CYYZ) area control centre (ACC) that he had a "cylinder head temperature" issue and requested a return to CYSB. Aircraft rescue and fire fighting (ARFF) were put on standby as a precautionary measure. Aircraft arrived safely in CYSB at 2352Z with 564 lbs of fuel on board.

UPDATE airport report #13613: A Med-Law Aviation Piper PA-32RT-300T (C-GDWA) from Sudbury, ON (CYSB) called Flight Service Stations (FSS) with high cylinder head temperature warning. FSS responded aircraft rescue and firefighting (ARFF) services. Two ARFF trucks responded and waited in stand-by position. C-GDWA landed on runway 04 without incident and the two trucks followed aircraft to shut down. ARFF cancelled at 2358Z.

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A Med-Law Aviation Piper PA-32RT-300T (C-GDWA) from Sudbury, ON (CYSB) to Hamilton, ON (CYHM) was provided priority handling due to pilot reported to be in distress with medical condition. Fire service was dispatched for standby; this was not requested by pilot. No impact on operations

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The privately-operated Galileo Aviation Inc. Piper PA-32RT-300T Turbo Lance II aircraft (C-GDWA) had departed on an IFR flight from Greater Sudbury Municipal Airport (CYSB) to [original destination not reported by NAV CANADA]. NAV CANADA staff at Toronto ACC advised that the aircraft experienced a navigation equipment failure after departure. The aircraft returned to land at Greater Sudbury Municipal Airport at 1708Z with the aid of Toronto ACC staff. Ops. impact -- none.

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The privately-operated Galileo Aviation Inc. Piper PA-32RT-300T Lance aircraft (C-GDWA) was on an IFR flight from Toronto (Oshawa) Municipal Airport (CYOO) to Sarnia (Chris Hadfield) International Airport (CYZR). NAV CANADA staff at Toronto ACC reported that the aircraft lost communications and the transponder when it was approximately 10NM east of London International Airport (CYXU) at 0102Z. The pilot subsequently advised London F.I.C. staff via cellular telephone that the aircraft had experienced a total electrical failure, cancelled IFR and continued VFR to the original destination. Sarnia Police Services subsequently advised Toronto ACC staff that the pilot was in contact with them via 911 and that the aircraft had landed on the westbound lanes of Highway 402 (between Oil Heritage Road and Mandaumin Road exits, west of Plowing Match Road) at approximately 0200Z.

UPDATE Supplemental information received from NAV CANADA A.O.R. #149250-V1: At approximately 0125Z, the pilot of C-GDWA called London F.I.C. reporting an electrical failure and requested to cancel IFR and the location of the nearest VFR tower to check that the aircraft's landing gear was down. After initially heading to Windsor International Airport (CYQG), consultation with ATC had the pilot head direct to London International Airport (CYXU) to remain in Canadian air space. At 0130Z, the pilot advised that the aircraft showed three (3) green for the landing gear and that the aircraft would land at Sarnia (Chris Hadfield) International Airport (CYZR). At 0155Z, ATC advised that the aircraft had landed on Highway 402. Ops. impact -- unknown.
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Post by CpnCrunch » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:48 pm

pelmet wrote: Odd that the engine started to sputter(if that really happened) in combination with an electrical failure. I wonder what the final story was on that.
(discussing previous accident)

No, the engine was fine that time. He lost all electrics, circled because he couldn't turn on the runway lights, then ran low on fuel. However I find it odd that he didn't think to phone ATC and ask them to turn the lights on.

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2012/07/p ... ghway.html
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Post by GyvAir » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:13 pm

Whatever happened, happened fast.

From LiveATC.net:
19:28:20 - Acknowledges handover to Toronto Centre frequency
19:31:13 - States turning back
19:31:30 - Unitelligible response to ATC asking if they can assist
19:32:10 - No response to ATC calls

There is no actual statement of there being a problem on CYSB recording, just that they were turning back.
I didn't find a recording of Toronto Centre frequency.
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Post by howard40 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:20 pm

What do we think the weather was like in that area, and specifically at 10000'feet at the time it happened? Who can help with that one?
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