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It seems like airlines are divided on the one-out-one-in rule. A friend of mine flies in the US for a RJ operator and they require an FA to come in when you leave to take a dump. The new PF has to get the O2 mask ready just incase. Thats a little extreme, but you've got ten seconds, tops, maybe, of consciousness at that altitude. I still think having an FA come in and replace the outgoing pilot is a good idea. Its knee jerk that everyone will be doing it now but its kinda surprising that it hasn't already been mandated across the board.
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cncpc wrote:
Learning2Fly wrote:Thanks CNC, I'm always open to a rational debate, but it seems people cannot explain the obvious and just want to resort to name calling.

That said, I'm very surprised that after a day and a half, these ambitious agencies have recovered the boxes, opened the cases, download the data, studied the data, and have done EXTENSIVE research on the Co-Pilot's life to conclude that he was suicidal.

You would think that would take weeks, or at least days to question family, friends, co-workers, employers, etc. In my opnion,
"they" were too quick to point blame.

Damn, it takes about a week just to get a vacation request approved where I work.
I agree with you on the unseemly haste on this one.

Ya think??? !!! There are precedents to such haste.... remember a little place called Gander?
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I don't think the haste is unseemly. The entire aviation industry was waiting to find out what might be wrong with the A320. Not to mention the passengers' families. No way should the investigators wait a day longer than needed to release some preliminary results.
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photofly wrote:I don't think the haste is unseemly. The entire aviation industry was waiting to find out what might be wrong with the A320. Not to mention the passengers' families. No way should the investigators wait a day longer than needed to release some preliminary results.
Well said, and agreed.

We complain because it takes too long to get a report in Canada...and when we get preliminary reports in a short and reasonable time, we still complain.

Gotta love pilots.
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It was neither Lufthansa officials or French Govt. who came forward with the CVR etc., it was a New York Times reporter who broke this story - everyone else was just playing catchup today.

Had it not been for the reporter - much of this investigation might not yet been known to us at this time.
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cncpc wrote:
Learning2Fly wrote:I'm not implying the report isn't true, but I wouldn't support the quick conclusion without some tangible evidence.
Let me do that for you then.

THE REPORT ISN'T TRUE.
Good calls, particularly re 18,000'. There is a rush to judgement going on, I don't buy it. BUT, the msm has spoken, and no one is allowed to challenge the narrative.
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pianokeys wrote:A friend of mine flies in the US for a RJ operator and they require an FA to come in when you leave to take a dump. The new PF has to get the O2 mask ready just incase. Thats a little extreme, but you've got ten seconds, tops, maybe, of consciousness at that altitude.
Just in case what? The toilet door isn't sealed?
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Mode S Enhanced Surveillance

https://www.eurocontrol.int/articles/mo ... l-overview

This will back up what selection(s) were made on the altitude selector.
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Krimson wrote:Wow, this thread has derailed quickly. Learning2fly, I would suggest you start your own thread regarding 9/11 since you are so adamant on defending your view. Can we leave this one for its purpose?
That's not necessary, but if I started a new thread a more appropriate title would be, "Incompetent Media and Erroneous Reports".

It's not about defending my view, but rather facing facts which ultimately reveal the issue. As with this story, many holes and oddities.

Bizjets101 revealed that this information was leaked via a news source, and not the investigative agency. Knowing how shoddy the media
has been over the decades, can we really trust this preliminary info?

I'm more interested in the FD door security; as per video it appears the door can be opened using the emergency code regardless of switch position.
FICU states, that I've misinterpreted this function? I don't know FICU's qualifications, but I'm hoping he's an A320 tech/pilot and his words can be
taken as gold. I'm the type that would love one of the forum members to confirm this statement just to be certain.

On the radio this morning I heard rumours/suggestions that pilots, FA's, and possibly passengers may require "emotional screening" in the future.
For real? There was also speculation that government agencies would be allowed to probe your personal life to ensure you're not a threat to the
flight before boarding.

Can you imagine that as a pilot, FA, or passenger that you will be subject to personal scrutiny as par for the course? Maybe you will be required to
give up your cell phone, laptop, or visit a therapist periodically. These are the types of freedoms that we lose as a result of misinformation, and
governments taking advantage of adverse events.

It's a downward trend that has been going on for decades, and a majority of the general population will eat this s**t up, and not even question it.
Sadly when these tragic events take place most people instantly think terrorism, ISIS, and now suicidal pilot is the buzz term. When is the last time
the media reported mechanical failures of an aircraft? Do you think for a second that 'if' this crash was a result of a manufacturing defect that you'd
hear about it on CNN, FOX, or CBC? Only if it was caught BEFORE the plane left the gate, and people survived.
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When is the last time the media reported mechanical failures of an aircraft? Do you think for a second that 'if' this crash was a result of a manufacturing defect that you'd hear about it on CNN, FOX, or CBC?
Er... you bet.

But when was the last time a mechanical defect definitively brought down an airliner?

Besides, the copilot is dead, legally you can say what you like about him with impunity. Aircraft manufacturers have deep pockets and lots of lawyers so you have to be a bit more certain.
Bizjets101 revealed that this information was leaked via a news source, and not the investigative agency. Knowing how shoddy the media has been over the decades, can we really trust this preliminary info?
Yes, you can trust it. The NYT got hold of it first, but it's coming directly from the Marseille prosecutor, quoted by name.

Horses, not zebras.
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Learning2Fly wrote:I'm more interested in the FD door security; as per video it appears the door can be opened using the emergency code regardless of switch position.
FICU states, that I've misinterpreted this function? I don't know FICU's qualifications, but I'm hoping he's an A320 tech/pilot and his words can be
taken as gold. I'm the type that would love one of the forum members to confirm this statement just to be certain.
The video is an old airbus training video.

I'm not prepared to post sensitive security related material on a public Forum.
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http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/co-pilot ... -1.3011724

Oops. What was that about horses versus zebras?

Part of the benefit to other countries methods of crash investigation. If there is pertinent, confirmed information right away, they release it.

Oh but wait, comes from the CBC. Which is owned by the government. Dang. Can't trust anything nowadays.
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I was waiting for someone to bring it up - funny how the "Honorable" can make things happen at the snap of a finger - Less than 48 hours on some issues that deem "safety for the travelling public" but others can take years and years. FTDT. IF they truly want to fix things they are certainly capable, we just witnessed it.
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"Lubitz, who appears to have deliberately crashed the plane, killing 150 people, received psychiatric treatment for a "serious depressive episode" six years ago, German tabloid Bild reported on Friday."
Geez. I went through a bad break-up eleven years ago, and was pretty upset for a month.

:roll:

These guys are reaching, trying to find anything that will support their hasty, initial assumption. This is BS reporting!

Linked from Wikipedia (right..):
The Bild newspaper (or Bild-Zeitung, literally Picture Newspaper; pronounced [ˈbɪlt]) is a German tabloid published by Axel Springer AG.

The paper is published from Monday to Saturday; on Sundays, its sister paper Bild am Sonntag ("Picture on the Sunday") is published instead, which has a different style and its own editors. Bild is tabloid in style but broadsheet in size. It is the best-selling non-Asian newspaper and has the sixth-largest circulation worldwide.[1]

Bild has been described as "notorious for its mix of gossip, inflammatory language, and sensationalism" and as having a huge influence on German politicians.[2] Its nearest English-language stylistic and journalistic equivalent is often considered to be the British national newspaper The Sun, the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper, with which it shares a degree of rivalry.[3][4][5]

Der Spiegel wrote in 2006 that Bild "flies just under the nonsense threshold of American and British tabloids ... For the German desperate, it is a daily dose of high-resolution soft porn".[6]
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Eric Janson wrote:
Learning2Fly wrote:I'm more interested in the FD door security; as per video it appears the door can be opened using the emergency code regardless of switch position.
FICU states, that I've misinterpreted this function? I don't know FICU's qualifications, but I'm hoping he's an A320 tech/pilot and his words can be
taken as gold. I'm the type that would love one of the forum members to confirm this statement just to be certain.
The video is an old airbus training video.

I'm not prepared to post sensitive security related material on a public Forum.

Thank you for this, glad to see some have common sense.
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In the wake of this tragedy, a question comes to mind.

Going forward, how willing do you think a pilot who is truly suffering from some sort of depression or mental issue, will be to seek out treatment?
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Eric Janson wrote:Mode S Enhanced Surveillance

https://www.eurocontrol.int/articles/mo ... l-overview

This will back up what selection(s) were made on the altitude selector.
Thanks.
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cncpc wrote:
pianokeys wrote:A friend of mine flies in the US for a RJ operator and they require an FA to come in when you leave to take a dump. The new PF has to get the O2 mask ready just incase. Thats a little extreme, but you've got ten seconds, tops, maybe, of consciousness at that altitude.
Just in case what? The toilet door isn't sealed?
Try reading the last sentence of my post again.
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Donald wrote:In the wake of this tragedy, a question comes to mind.

Going forward, how willing do you think a pilot who is truly suffering from some sort of depression or mental issue, will be to seek out treatment?
I will push it further, there is a growing number of pilots that are self employed at low cost airlines in Europe. Was the pilot able to call unfit to fly and have some sort of social protection? Or was he under the pressure he had to show up at work?
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Learning2Fly wrote:
"Lubitz, who appears to have deliberately crashed the plane, killing 150 people, received psychiatric treatment for a "serious depressive episode" six years ago, German tabloid Bild reported on Friday."
Geez. I went through a bad break-up eleven years ago, and was pretty upset for a month.
One doesn't need to look much further back than this thread to find evidence of why you might not be safe at the controls of an aircraft :lol:
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