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Darn they're fast at updating they website......

http://www.planespotters.net/Production ... Canada.php
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They had supposedly circled for a while and then found a "window" to land instead of diverting to moncton. The plane caught the powerline coming in so i guess they were too low and then bounced, shed parts and slid on its belly. Luckily there were no majour injuries but confidence in air travel is not good.
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I think a 48 hour rule change is in order! No more flying in snow storms.
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Some more photos from TSB;

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Forgive me, but I can't help but noticing the irony of air canada tweeting about cutting the power for Earth Hour and the next tweet about an accident which actually cut the power.
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http://avherald.com/h?article=483e7337&opt=1024

Looks like they hit the power line. I can't believe how AC is downplaying this accident. The AP manager also calls it a hard landing, and the power going off was a coincidence.
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I wonder what the tailwind component would have been if they did the ILS 23 instead?

CYHZ 290313Z 35020G26KT 1/2SM R14/3500V4500FT/N SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2963 RMKSN8 SLP040
CYHZ 290300Z CCA 34019G25KT 1/4SM R14/P6000VM0300FT/N +SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2962 RMK SN8 /S09/ SLP038
CYHZ 290300Z 34019G25KT 1/8SM R14/P6000VM0300FT/N +SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2962 RMK SN8 /S09/ SLP038

EDIT: I found an online crosswind calculator:

340/20 is a 7 knot tailwind
340/25 is a 8 knot tailwind
350/20 is a 10 knot tailwind
350/25 is a 12 knot tailwind
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Crash landed almost 1000 feet short of the runway! The fact there was no fire is incredible with that much damage to the wings. The fact there was no fire means exactly how much fuel was on board!? Very lucky this wasn't a disaster!
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[quote= Very lucky this wasn't a disaster![/quote]

I am thinking it is a disaster..!
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EDIT: I found an online crosswind calculator:
340/20 is a 7 knot tailwind
340/25 is a 8 knot tailwind
350/20 is a 10 knot tailwind
350/25 is a 12 knot tailwind
You forgot to apply the 18 degress of West Variation. Winds reported in a METAR are in degrees true.

Winds 340T = 358M

340T/20 = 11.5 knots tailwind on runway 23 (233M).

A 10 knot tailwind is a standard maximum limitation. Although I've heard some can use 15 knots. Not sure what Air Canada used on the A320 ?

The winds in the few hours prior to the accident were 360T (018M), favouring runway 05 vs 32. At 350T they were equally 45 degrees off both 05 and 32.

Winds 340T at 25 knots would give you a 20.5 knot crosswind component on runway 05, 350T at 25 knots would be 17.7 knots crosswind.
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magic wand wrote:I am thinking it is a disaster..!
By disaster I meant the plane didn't turn into a fireball with fatalities.
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Hit power lines on final, and landed 1000 feet short? Is this accurate? Oh my. They're not having a good couple of months.
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From AvHerald...
An Air Canada Airbus A320-200, registration C-FTJP performing flight AC-624 (dep Mar 28th) from Toronto,ON to Halifax,NS (Canada) with 133 passengers and 5 crew, was on approach to Halifax's runway 05 at about 00:07L (03:07Z) when the aircraft touched down short of and below the runway threshold, clipped a powerline and approach light about 250 meters short of the runway, climbed the embankment up to the runway level and came to a stop past the threshold of the runway near taxiway B about 300 meters down the runway. The aircraft was evacuated. 23 people received injuries and were taken to a hospital, the aircraft sustained substantial damage (collapsed gear, engine separated, wing damage, horizontal stabilizer damage).
If this is correct I'm pretty sure that doesn't qualify as a hard landing...
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Hit power lines on final, and landed 1000 feet short? Is this accurate?
If you look at Google Earth you can see the power lines are about 920 feet from the threshold. And note what appears to be pieces of the localizer antenna or approach lights (?) sticking out of the nose and wrapped around the right wing.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tsbcanada ... otostream/
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URC wrote:
Hit power lines on final, and landed 1000 feet short? Is this accurate?
If you look at Google Earth you can see the power lines are about 920 feet from the threshold. And note what appears to be pieces of the localizer antenna or approach lights (?) sticking out of the nose and wrapped around the right wing.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tsbcanada ... otostream/
I am sure there will be photos of the approach lights soon. That will pretty well confirm if they landed short.
In the night time photos of the right hand wing root area, there appears to be a wire near the wing root. I dont see that object ( wire )in the daytime photos..maybe it was removed.
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Daytime photos are up on the TSB flikr.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tsbcanada ... 1565742766

Parts of runway lights imbedded in the wings and nose.

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Just hear on the news that "authorities cannot confirm if the weather at the time of the accident played a role"


Why do we tolerate this drivel?

All I can say is Im glad Im not one of the pilots, and or the dispatcher for this flight ;)
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"...250 meters short of the runway, climbed the embankment up to the runway level and came to a stop past the threshold of the runway near taxiway B about 300 meters down the runway."

....got stopped pretty short though.
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I'm truly thankful no one was seriously hurt. My thoughts also go out to the crew, it's a sick/sinking feeling that I wouldn't wish on anyone. Lessons will be reiterated or learned and I'm proud to see this topic being kept professional.
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Strega wrote:Just hear on the news that "authorities cannot confirm if the weather at the time of the accident played a role"


Why do we tolerate this drivel?

All I can say is Im glad Im not one of the pilots, and or the dispatcher for this flight ;)
Drivel is the word!!!!
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