Overdue Cargo Airplane Bound for CYXS

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Overdue Cargo Airplane Bound for CYXS

Post by I_Drive_Planes » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:58 am

The following was posted on the YXS - Prince George Airport Facebook page this morning:
We were notified around 8:00 this morning that a cargo courier flight was overdue. Prince George Airport Emergency Services are on standby. We will continue to provide updates as they take place.
250 News is reporting it here: http://www.250news.com/2015/04/13/overd ... ht-at-yxs/ Without any real details.

I was doing some poking around on the flight tracking websites and found this http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ca66/#5fe017d and this: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CA6 ... /CYVR/CYXS Though its status shows "landed" the timing is right and there is only a partial track showing, ending in the North Shore mountains. I also don't see it on any of the Wx Cams at CYXS.
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Re: Overdue Cargo Airplane Bound for CYXS

Post by Rowdy » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:35 am

IIRC thats one of Carsons Metros..

Hope it turns out to be a non event.
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Post by I_Drive_Planes » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:42 am

Rowdy wrote:IIRC thats one of Carsons Metros..

Hope it turns out to be a non event.
I had hoped so also, but that's looking less likely now.

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Post by Gear Jerker » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:30 pm

Fingers crossed that the crew is safe and sound!
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Post by arctic_slim » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:46 pm

That's brutal. Please if anyone knows who the pilots are on that aircraft can you PM me and let me know if one of the pilots initials? im getting worried now.
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Post by PointyEngine » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:40 pm

Always the worst feeling. Fingers crossed the got it down somewhere and just haven't checked in.
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Post by 180 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:29 pm

Fingers crossed for a positive outcome here...sure hope it's not a repeat of the 2005 NT King Air accident North of Squamish.
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Post by floydfrank » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:43 pm

Looks like forecast icing and sw winds aloft on their route with freezing levels down around 3000'.
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Post by co-joe » Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:22 pm

The search looks like its around Mt Seymore. Should be a great deal of resources in that area being so close to North Van, so lets hope for the best.

https://twitter.com/wilfundal/status/58 ... 72/photo/1
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Post by boeingboy » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:04 pm

Always hoping for the best - but Lynn Valley and surrounding area is not a good place to go down. Lots of steep cliffs, deep valleys, and trees - no place to set down if anything bad went down....... :cry:
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Post by CpnCrunch » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:09 pm

180 wrote:Fingers crossed for a positive outcome here...sure hope it's not a repeat of the 2005 NT King Air accident North of Squamish.
Doesn't look like it from what I can tell...they were well above the nearby terrain and above the MEA on V347. The flightaware track ends just as they intercepted the airway.

From listening to the Live ATC archive, they were cleared to 16,000ft which they acknowledged, and then there are no further transmissions from then. A while later another aircraft is asked to try to contact them on company frequency, and then another aircraft is asked to listen for an ELT signal.
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Post by BBQ Chips » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:21 pm

I feel sick even thinking of having to ever put down in the terrain around Vancouver. Does anyone know if cargo planes require TAWS? It always blew me away when I began flying out west in the rocks that TAWS was not mandatory. I know things have changed for some operations recently, but the thought of not upgrading your planes because it is not a legal requirement is fucked up.
My thoughts are with all my peers and those affected.
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Post by PositiveRate27 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:25 pm

If anyone has info on the pilots I'd appreciate a PM as well.
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Post by goldeneagle » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:33 pm

Dont really see how having TAWS would make any difference. The last radar plot and altitude shows them going thru about 8000 and climbing, speed around 240 knots. They were well above terrain in the immediate area by that time, and at the rate they were climing, another minute and a bit would put them above all terrain between that position and the intended destination.

Highly unlikely this is a case of blindly and unknowingly flying into cumulus granite. Something else happened.
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Post by PointyEngine » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:34 pm

BBQ Chips wrote:I feel sick even thinking of having to ever put down in the terrain around Vancouver. Does anyone know if cargo planes require TAWS? It always blew me away when I began flying out west in the rocks that TAWS was not mandatory. I know things have changed for some operations recently, but the thought of not upgrading your planes because it is not a legal requirement is fucked up.
My thoughts are with all my peers and those affected.
No TAWs required.
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Post by BBQ Chips » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:07 pm

goldeneagle wrote:Dont really see how having TAWS would make any difference. The last radar plot and altitude shows them going thru about 8000 and climbing, speed around 240 knots. They were well above terrain in the immediate area by that time, and at the rate they were climing, another minute and a bit would put them above all terrain between that position and the intended destination.

Highly unlikely this is a case of blindly and unknowingly flying into cumulus granite. Something else happened.
I never said TAWS would have made a difference, but I am damn sure that having a tool which tells you where the rocks are when you are in a pinch is never a bad thing.
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Post by bizjets101 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:09 pm

"The high-probability zone that we're currently searching is northeast of Vancouver by about 14 kilometres. It's between Grouse Mountain and just south of Cathedral Mountain," Trenholm said. "It's simple math, just looking at the flight plan. This aircraft had a true airspeed of 269 knots, plus the location of where it was lost on radar." from Vancouver Sun
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Post by 180 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:10 pm

CpnCrunch wrote:
180 wrote:Fingers crossed for a positive outcome here...sure hope it's not a repeat of the 2005 NT King Air accident North of Squamish.
Doesn't look like it from what I can tell...they were well above the nearby terrain and above the MEA on V347. The flightaware track ends just as they intercepted the airway.

From listening to the Live ATC archive, they were cleared to 16,000ft which they acknowledged, and then there are no further transmissions from then. A while later another aircraft is asked to try to contact them on company frequency, and then another aircraft is asked to listen for an ELT signal.
Thanks for pointing that out CpnCrunch. Appreciated.

Still hoping for the best...
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Post by 7ECA » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:15 pm

Pretty lousy day to be out, with moderate to severe turbulence up and down the Coast. And, the moderate to severe icing, from around 3000' - 14,000', again along the Coast.
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Post by 200hr Wonder » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:20 pm

Just saw on Global News that the North Shore search and rescue have found debris and the smell of Jet A. Does not look good at all.
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Re: Overdue Cargo Airplane Bound for CYXS

Post by boeingboy » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:29 pm

Should be clarified it's paper in the trees - the aircraft is not yet found. Even so - there is very little doubt as to their fate.....this is not a good day.
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Post by Jibbs » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:39 pm

Just curious......

Would the controller have a warning on his screen, or otherwise, if the aircraft was still on radar and was below a certain minimum/vectoring altitude. After listening to the ATC archives it seemed to be business as usual until they started a com search and asked an aircraft to listen for an ELT.
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Post by burninggoats » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:51 pm

co-joe wrote:The search looks like its around Mt Seymore. Should be a great deal of resources in that area being so close to North Van, so lets hope for the best.

https://twitter.com/wilfundal/status/58 ... 72/photo/1

Yeah right. The people in North Van are probably just upset that a plane made noise near their multi million $$ houses, and appalled at the fact that some jet a might have come in contact with the ground.


I am still holding hope the result is more positive than it looks, but the longer it goes on the harder it is to keep my optimism. My thoughts are with everyone at Carson.
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Post by SundayDriver » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:57 pm

burninggoats wrote:
co-joe wrote:The search looks like its around Mt Seymore. Should be a great deal of resources in that area being so close to North Van, so lets hope for the best.

https://twitter.com/wilfundal/status/58 ... 72/photo/1

Yeah right. The people in North Van are probably just upset that a plane made noise near their multi million $$ houses, and appalled at the fact that some jet a might have come in contact with the ground.


I am still holding hope the result is more positive than it looks, but the longer it goes on the harder it is to keep my optimism. My thoughts are with everyone at Carson.
I'm sure no one in North Van thinks that. Grow up

My thoughts go out to all involved
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