Overdue Cargo Airplane Bound for CYXS

cncpc · Post by **cncpc** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:24 pm

lostaviator wrote: The live ATC recording is quite chilling. And also went on for much longer than I expected given the short duration of their flight.

Have you a link to that?

Thanks

lostaviator · Post by **lostaviator** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:31 pm

I don't sorry. Go to liveatc and search the yvr arrival/departure feed. Search by time on liveatc. It was 15z-15:30z time frame I believe.

cncpc · Post by **cncpc** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:39 pm

lostaviator wrote:I don't sorry. Go to liveatc and search the yvr arrival/departure feed. Search by time on liveatc. It was 15z-15:30z time frame I believe.

thanks

CFM Symphony · Post by **CFM Symphony** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:54 pm

TSB is saying it was a sudden and uncontrolled descent.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.3032313

phillyfan · Post by **phillyfan** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:23 pm

[b]The identities of the two pilots are not being released at the request of the families, police said[/b]
This kinda highlights one of the things that bug me. When people are looking for PM's about Crew ID.

awitzke · Post by **awitzke** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:41 pm

Publicly announcing their names is not the same as people in the industry wanting to know if their friends are alive.

BE20 Driver · Post by **BE20 Driver** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:10 pm

Still looking to find out who the captain was. I haven't heard from the guy I know there and I'm getting a bad feeling.

If anyone can PM me with some crew info, I'd appreciate it.

BE20 Driver · Post by **BE20 Driver** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:24 pm

phillyfan wrote:This kinda highlights one of the things that bug me. When people are looking for PM's about Crew ID.

I can understand if the families do not want their name broadcast all over the media. I probably wouldn't want my family to release my name either.

That said, I only know one guy at that company. I have tried other more direct methods but have not heard from him since the incident. Asking around privately through PM's is the only way I can get some confirmation. Most people who are asking for PM's are likely in the same situation as I am and not looking to talk to the media.

I can not imagine how terrifying the last minute of their flight would have been. Tragic whom ever was onboard.

boeingboy · Post by **boeingboy** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:43 pm

From CBC.....

Yearwood said all indications are the two pilots suddenly lost control of the aircraft, dropping from an altitude of 2,400 metres to about 900 metres — the height at which the wreckage was found — in less than a minute,

Carson Air SA226 plane
The crashed plane is a twin-engine SA-226 Metro II similar to this one. (Carson Air)

"The radar track showed a very steep descent," he said. "The crew did not call, declare an emergency or have any stress, which gives us an idea that whatever happened, happened suddenly. The radar track gives us information on how fast it was descending ... and that is consistent with uncontrolled flight."

iflyforpie · Post by **iflyforpie** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:02 pm

5000 feet per minute. I think airframe failure is the only possibility. Icing or mechanical failure wouldn't have been so abrupt.

MrWings · Post by **MrWings** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:40 pm

iflyforpie wrote:5000 feet per minute. I think airframe failure is the only possibility.

There's at least couple others that I can come up with. Not likely but possible.

arctic_slim · Post by **arctic_slim** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:03 pm

phillyfan wrote:The identities of the two pilots are not being released at the request of the families, police said
This kinda highlights one of the things that bug me. When people are looking for PM's about Crew ID.

It may bug you but when I have a friend that may have been on board it bugs me not knowing if he is ok or not. It's not like im looking for a name so that I can tell the world, it's for my own piece of mind. And yes I found out later on, my good friend was on board that plane and I am devastated.

7dirty7 · Post by **7dirty7** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:20 pm

arctic_slim wrote:
phillyfan wrote:The identities of the two pilots are not being released at the request of the families, police said
This kinda highlights one of the things that bug me. When people are looking for PM's about Crew ID.
It may bug you but when I have a friend that may have been on board it bugs me not knowing if he is ok or not. It's not like im looking for a name so that I can tell the world, it's for my own piece of mind. And yes I found out later on, my good friend was on board that plane and I am devastated.

Sorry for your loss.

Gear Jerker · Post by **Gear Jerker** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:48 am

Does the Metro have control cables?

- Control cable fails, elevator full deflection nose down?

Condolences to all family and friends. Awful

all_ramped_up · Post by **all_ramped_up** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:56 am

Condolences to those families and friends affected by this loss.

Thoughts with the crew at Carson.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:09 am

I'm so sorry to hear of this

Thoughts are with those affected by this awful event.

CID · Post by **CID** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:20 am

5000 feet per minute. I think airframe failure is the only possibility. Icing or mechanical failure wouldn't have been so abrupt.

A few years back a FedEx Caravan basically fell out of the sky into a Winnipeg neighborhood due to icing.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 20051006-0

Condolences to family and friends of the flight crew.

Old fella · Post by **Old fella** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:30 am

Sincere condolences to family/friends/co-workers during this most difficult period due this tragic accident.

sportingrifle · Post by **sportingrifle** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:57 am

I used to fly that exact route every morning in an MU-2 and with upslope winds, the ice could be just unimaginable over the North Shore mountains. Frequently we would get a clearance to climb to the BLI VOR and not turn north till above FL180 or so in order to top it. This sort of icing is really something that people flying their "de -iced" Cirrus, Mooney, etc need to consider.

Not really wanting to speculate on the accident cause, they are always way different or way more than complex than the initial speculation. What I will ay is that -5000 fpm is not unreasonable if the aircraft stalled due yo airframe icing and ten wouldn't be hard to do in those conditions.

All take care , the idea is an empty parking lot at the end of the day.

Sportingrifle

boeingboy · Post by **boeingboy** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:17 am

While icing can be bad - and Metro stalls are no picnic, I doubt it was icing. Metros are not all that bad in ice for starters.....and second the aircraft was climbing at 1500'/min and doing 240 kts when it dropped suddenly. You wouldn't have that kind of climb rate if you were picking up enough ice to drop you out of the sky.

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