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Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#1 Post by pelmet » Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:22 am

The pilot of C-GONF, a Cessna 152 operated by Southern Interior Flight Centre, was conducting
night circuits at Salmon Arm, BC (CZAM). On climb out, the aircraft collided with trees at
approximately 2800 feet ASL, about 1.5 nautical miles west of the airport. The aircraft was
destroyed but the pilot received only minor injuries. The Canada Flight Supplement indicates all
circuits at CZAM are to the east of the airport, recommends pilots fly runway heading to 3000 feet
ASL before commencing turns, and cautions that only pilots familiar with local terrain should use
the aerodrome during hours of darkness.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#2 Post by iflyforpie » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:52 am

Bye bye ONF. Glad nobody was killed.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#3 Post by The Raven » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:54 am

pelmet,

Can you provide a reference to this incident. Where do I find the report?

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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#4 Post by godsrcrazy » Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:32 pm

2016P0416 Occurrence Category(ies):
Other
Unknown or undetermined
Occurrence Information
Occurrence Type:Accident Occurrence Date:2016-04-02
Occurrence Time:0000 Z Day Or Night:night-time
Fatalities:0 Injuries:1
Canadian Aerodrome ID:CZAM Aerodrome Name:SALMON ARM BC (CZAM)
Occurrence Location:SALMON ARM BC (CZAM)
Province:British Columbia TC Region:Pacific Region
Country:Canada World Area:North America
Reported By:
NAV CANADA
Transportation Safety Board of Canada
AOR Number:199068-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation:Class 5 TSB Occurrence No:A16P0054
Occurrence Event Information
Aircraft Information
Registration Mark:GONF Foreign Registration:
Flight #: Flight Rule:VFR
Aircraft Category:Aeroplane Country of Registration:Canada
Make:CESSNA Model:152
Year Built:1978 Amateur Built:No
Engine Make:AVCO LYCOMING Engine Model:O-235-L2C
Engine Type:Reciprocating Gear Type:Land
Phase of Flight:Climb Damage:Destroyed
Owner:Southern Interior Flight Centre (1993) Ltd
Operator:SOUTHERN INTERIOR FLIGHT CENTRE (1993) LTD. (6986)
Operator Type:Commercial CARs Subpart:406
Aircraft Event Information
Collision with terrain
SAR/comm search
Occurrence Summary
Date Entered:2016-04-04
Narrative:
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) reported a crash on Mount Ida just south of Salmon Arm, BC (CZAM). A Southern Interior Flight Centre Ltd. Cessna 152 (C-GONF) on a local flight from Kelowna, BC (CYLW) was on flight plan with an en route stop in CZAM. RCMP and search and rescue (SAR) confirmed that the aircraft was C-GONF and that the pilot suffered minor injuries. Minimal impact on operations.
O.P.I.: Further Action Required:No
Occurrence Summary
Date Entered:2016-04-06
Narrative:
UPDATE: TSB#A16P0054: The pilot of C-GONF, a Cessna 152 operated by Southern Interior Flight Centre, was conducting night circuits at Salmon Arm, BC (CZAM). On climb out, the aircraft collided with trees at approximately 2800 feet ASL, about 1.5 nautical miles west of the airport. The aircraft was destroyed but the pilot received only minor injuries. The Canada Flight Supplement indicates all circuits at CZAM are to the east of the airport, recommends pilots fly runway heading to 3000 feet ASL before commencing turns, and cautions that only pilots familiar with local terrain should use the aerodrome during hours of darkness.
O.P.I.: Further Action Required:No
Please note that for the most part, CADORS reports contain preliminary, unconfirmed data which can be subject to change.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#5 Post by Rookie50 » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:09 pm

iflyforpie wrote:Bye bye ONF. Glad nobody was killed.

Yeah. Night accidents often have a sad ending.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#6 Post by phillyfan » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:58 pm

Nobody should ever fly in a C-152 at night. Especially around trees and hills.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#7 Post by CpnCrunch » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:40 pm

phillyfan wrote:Nobody should ever fly in a C-152 at night. Especially around trees and hills.
What's the point of your message?
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#8 Post by KAG » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:25 pm

A152 is a great little plane. Nothing wrong with flying it at night, just don't turn the wrong way over hills you can't see.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#9 Post by trampbike » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:33 pm

phillyfan wrote:Nobody should ever fly in a C-152 at night. Especially around trees and hills.
I'm sure if you'd fly above trees and hills instead of around them, you'd be just fine at night in a 152
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#10 Post by iflyforpie » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:32 pm

First time I ever went into ZAM was at night With no night rating (was doing my solo night X country).

Maybe it's because I was flying a 172.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#11 Post by Dizzy D » Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:15 pm

About 9ish years ago I was doing night circuits in ONF in Salmon Arm. Good times. I must have stayed on the right side...
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#12 Post by phillyfan » Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:16 am

"What's the point of your message?"


Seemed pretty clear to me?
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#13 Post by CpnCrunch » Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:11 am

phillyfan wrote:"What's the point of your message?"


Seemed pretty clear to me?
I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt. Taken literally your message is pretty idiotic IMO, so I thought perhaps you were being sarcastic.

There's no more danger in flying a 152 at night than any other plane. The whole point is that you separate yourself from the hills and trees by a suitable margin (which implies that you *must* be familiar with the airport). If you want some more safety, use synthetic vision.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#14 Post by Checkgear77 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:54 pm

I learned to fly in GONF, she was a fine airplane and always served me well especially when I was doing night circuits in mountainous terrain. Sad to hear of her loss. I loved those clear moon lit nights by yourself in the mountains. Shout out to the great instructors I had at southern interior 14 years ago, they did there best under tough working conditions and having to put up with students like me.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#15 Post by flysportstar » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:44 am

First time I ever went into ZAM was at night With no night rating (was doing my solo night X country).

Maybe it's because I was flying a 172.
Solo night cross country????? What flight school or instructor would let anyone do that?
It is certainly not a requirement under CAR421.42

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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#16 Post by photofly » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:52 am

flysportstar wrote:
First time I ever went into ZAM was at night With no night rating (was doing my solo night X country).

Maybe it's because I was flying a 172.
Solo night cross country????? What flight school or instructor would let anyone do that?
It is certainly not a requirement under CAR421.42

Please explain.
You don't need any solo night cross-country time for a night rating, but it's not forbidden, either.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#17 Post by I_Drive_Planes » Sat Apr 16, 2016 3:28 pm

flysportstar wrote:
Solo night cross country????? What flight school or instructor would let anyone do that?
It is certainly not a requirement under CAR421.42
Mine did. I didn't ram a hill.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#18 Post by iflyforpie » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:42 pm

Mine did.

I couldn't remember if it was needed or not. I needed all of the x country I could get to get my IFR done.

Maybe it was an unnecessary risk.... but our flight school lost 0 planes compared to them losing.... how many over the years? (The Maule on floats, ZDD, SKK, QDW, HYG (the plane I soloed in) .... now ONF. Have I missed any?
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#19 Post by photofly » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:49 pm

Ok now it's my turn for confusion... why does a solo night cross country flight help towards IFR?

Edit: oh, right, yes: 50 hours XC required.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#20 Post by Donald » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:41 pm

Every single time building student should at least get 25 hours night X-country, for their eventual ATPL.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#21 Post by Illya Kuryakin » Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:44 pm

Donald wrote:Every single time building student should at least get 25 hours night X-country, for their eventual ATPL.
Yup. Matter of fact, try to do almost all your X-country time in the dark till you have enough for that ATPL. You'll thank us for this advice later.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#22 Post by ZBBYLW » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:10 am

I too made it safely to ZAM at night in ONF. CFS has a lot of procedures to follow at night in the mountains. Those procedures always seemed to make sense when operating out of those airfields.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#23 Post by Schooner69A » Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:45 pm

I landed in Salmon Arm for fuel the day after the accident. An individual who had spoken with the pilot indicated that the pilot insisted that he had adhered to the note in the CFS and that he took off on Rwy 14 and turned left. Unfortunately, the only thing that agrees with the accident location is either a right turn off Rwy 14 or a left turn off Rwy 32.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#24 Post by awitzke » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:44 pm

Illya Kuryakin wrote:
Donald wrote:Every single time building student should at least get 25 hours night X-country, for their eventual ATPL.
Yup. Matter of fact, try to do almost all your X-country time in the dark till you have enough for that ATPL. You'll thank us for this advice later.
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I wish I listened to this advice when it was told to me. Coming up on spring at a company that rarely flies past dark in the summer I'll likely get a whole lot of 0 night pic XC until fall.
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Re: Small note in CFS gets overlooked

#25 Post by Av8r7 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:35 pm

School was the best place to get night X country pic. Surprisingly difficult to get in many jobs. Every chance you get to build night xc. Take it till you get the atpl req.
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