Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

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Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#1 Post by Lotro » Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:47 pm

2 PM today...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.3683081
The T-28 Trojan aircraft crashed at around 2 p.m. on Sunday, 4 Wing spokesman Mathew Strong said. Strong could not confirm whether the pilot had ejected the plane before it hit the ground.
I hate it when this happens. Fly safe all.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#2 Post by PilotDAR » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:01 pm

Would a T 28 have ejection seats?
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#3 Post by B208 » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:13 pm

PilotDAR wrote:Would a T 28 have ejection seats?
Very unlikely
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#4 Post by Rockie » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:05 pm

PilotDAR wrote:Would a T 28 have ejection seats?
Wikipedia lists the attack version (AT-28D) as having a rocket powered ejection seat but not the trainer, which was pulled from service around 1984. Civilian owned ones certainly wouldn't have one. Wikipedia has already been updated with today's crash as well saying the pilot was killed instantly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ame ... -28_Trojan
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#5 Post by 180 » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:43 pm

RIP Bruce. You were a class act and you will be missed.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#6 Post by goingmach_1 » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:56 pm

Nicest Guy in the world.

My thoughts are with his family and friends.

Known him for many years and the words kind and gentle are a good way to sum it up.

To the poster about ejection seats, only active military aircraft have that luxury, at least Canadian registered ones. There is a explosive charge in them that is otherwise prohibited for civilian use.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#7 Post by AuxBatOn » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:56 pm

goingmach_1 wrote: To the poster about ejection seats, only active military aircraft have that luxury, at least Canadian registered ones. There is a explosive charge in them that is otherwise prohibited for civilian use.
False. Discovery Air operates a fleet of Alphajets with live ejection seats. They are all operated and registered by a civilian company.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#8 Post by all_ramped_up » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:25 pm

AuxBatOn wrote:
goingmach_1 wrote: To the poster about ejection seats, only active military aircraft have that luxury, at least Canadian registered ones. There is a explosive charge in them that is otherwise prohibited for civilian use.
False. Discovery Air operates a fleet of Alphajets with live ejection seats. They are all operated and registered by a civilian company.
Correct!

Also a lot more than one charge in that seat too. Called a "Bang Seat" for a reason innit?

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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#9 Post by pelmet » Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:02 pm

goingmach_1 wrote:Nicest Guy in the world.
I have to say that this is quite true. Bruce was nice enough to give me a ride in his T-28. He was a keener when it came to aviation and in my experience was willing to help out where he could.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#10 Post by Jack Klumpus » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:56 am

Never met Bruce, however we did chat on the phone and via email.

He was offering me a job about 10 years ago.

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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#11 Post by upup_away » Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:29 pm

Sad news. Enjoyed seeing him fly around YBW in the past.

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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#12 Post by hamstandard » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:22 pm

One should not assume that there was any pilot error. A few years ago, the same pilot was involved in this accident in an aircraft that failed him. Fortunately, he survived that one.

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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#13 Post by Meecka » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:55 am

goingmach_1 wrote:Nicest Guy in the world.
Yes he was. He was a true gentleman, always had a smile for you. Humble man as well, salt of the earth kind of guy. He was one of the best people I've had the privilege of knowing and working with. He will be missed by many.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#14 Post by AirFrame » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:57 am

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This photo, with the tip of the radar dome in the bottom left, gave me instant flashbacks to similar photos of the Galloping Goose crash at Reno a few years back. He's nearly vertical, and the positioning of him relative to that radar dome makes it painfully obvious that it's not going to end well. :(

Not to be too morbid, but was the Cold Lake crash caught on video anywhere? I haven't seen one yet, but would be interested to see the sequence leading up to the crash.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#15 Post by Meecka » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:14 am

We've been looking for videos, so far there aren't any.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#16 Post by cgzro » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:06 am

Deleted what appears to be an incorrectly attributed youtube video.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#17 Post by Meecka » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:16 am

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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#18 Post by Meecka » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:26 am

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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#19 Post by Mark_space » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:10 pm

Pictures deleted...wrong aircraft. Thank for the heads up...
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#20 Post by Meecka » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:07 am

Bruce's beasty, #706.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#21 Post by pelmet » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:52 am

A little bit of a tribute to Bruce's last flight in pictures starting at 3:10 on this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOxwuiCq_mQ
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#22 Post by pelmet » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:34 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/f ... =BBHVoFe|2

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-repor ... 6w0094.pdf

Looks like the TSB has decided to not analyze the accident and give us(or aerobatic pilots who might want to learn from this accident and prevent another one) any "findings as to causes and contributing factors" like they do with other accident reports.

Why? They say...."This is a new type of report that is part of a TSB pilot project to modernize its investigation processes and products."

New and useless, I'd say.

If you can't analyze and conclude anymore for whatever reason, then perhaps release the video so others can do their own analysis.

By the way, the NTSB still gives probable cause, which you should do as well...that is your job...not to keep it a secret or unknown. I'm doing some aerobatics, I want to know what not to do. And if you can't figure out the likely cause, then tell us.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#23 Post by Schooner69A » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:02 pm

I'm pretty sure I know what; I just don't know why.



"The pilot flew from show right to left at about 500 feet above ground level (AGL) within the defined airspace for the routine, then entered a roll just before show centre. As the aircraft reached the inverted position, the roll stopped and the nose began to pitch toward the ground. The aircraft elevator was seen to move to full up deflection as the aircraft continued toward the ground in an arc until its collision with terrain, in a near-vertical position with a slight right roll."
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#24 Post by pdw » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:52 pm

"Show right to show left" at 13:45pm local looks like a 9kt downwind for that runway direction (for where-ever the surface station is located at Cold Lake 1pm-2pm).

EDIT (below):
Rookiepilot I spent time researching the wx for this accident back then; we suppressed any discussion out of respect and in anticipation of the final report. The extra info released in those links IMO is helpful to anyone interested in researching further.
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Re: Cold Lake Airshow - 2016

#25 Post by rookiepilot » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:04 pm

pdw wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:52 pm
"Show right to show left" at 13:45pm local looks like a 9kt downwind for that runway direction (for where-ever the surface station is located at Cold Lake 1pm-2pm).
Edited.

Maybe not relevant, PDW, this time.
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