AC A320 slides off runway at YYZ

[pelmet]

According to the media.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/a ... -1.3999438

[Boreas]

I don't have any inside details on what happened here, but while on topic, the GTAA needs to get it together and groove some of those runways.

If you're gonna pretend you're a world-class airport...

[We_tu_lo]

Hmm, sounds suspiciously familiar. As far as I know, no changes were put into effect after the "Hard landing" at YHZ.

[crazyaviator]

He said that after about an hour and a half, the passengers disembarked and were taken in buses back to the terminal.

Canada's biggest airport and this is how long it took for the collective intelligence to determine it was safe to exit the aircraft ?

[Rockie]

Hmm, sounds suspiciously familiar. As far as I know, no changes were put into effect after the "Hard landing" at YHZ.

One has nothing to do with the other, and you have no knowledge to comment on any changes that may or may not have been put into affect.

[schnitzel2k3]

AC 623 - YYZ
AC 624 -YHZ
AC 620 - YYZ DC-8

Bad juju with that flight number.

S.

[aerodude]

Sky clear and crosswind, use the 06's and 05.

Light winds and low vis, land aircraft on the shortest wet runway with no centerline lighting: 15R....

Got to love CYYZ. Never surprised.

[altiplano]

Right!

Poor, poor job being done there...

Crew probably didn't find out the runway until 3/4 way down the STAR too...

[YYZSaabGuy]

He said that after about an hour and a half, the passengers disembarked and were taken in buses back to the terminal.

Canada's biggest airport and this is how long it took for the collective intelligence to determine it was safe to exit the aircraft ?

Less a safety issue than that most operators, including the GTAA, don't keep a fleet of buses and drivers on stand-by to respond to occasional post-midnight runway excursions. It takes a bit of time to get the logistics organized.

[Bede]

I don't have any inside details on what happened here, but while on topic, the GTAA needs to get it together and groove some of those runways.

If you're gonna pretend you're a world-class airport...

You can't groove runways in such cold climates because of ice expansion in the grooves during the winter.

[av8ts]

Ottawa has grooved runway

[Dick]

Most pilots don't need a runway to be grooved to stay on it.

[Maynard]

I don't have any inside details on what happened here, but while on topic, the GTAA needs to get it together and groove some of those runways.

If you're gonna pretend you're a world-class airport...

You can't groove runways in such cold climates because of ice expansion in the grooves during the winter.

31 in Ywg is grooved. Pretty cold there

[Rockie]

Most pilots don't need a runway to be grooved to stay on it.

Why don't you save the witty criticism until it's actually known what happened?

[Cat Driver]

Could a failure of the tires have caused it?

[Rockie]

Possibly, pure conjecture though. Wait for the report.

[GyvAir]

Looks like one flat, but all present:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5fgiiQUwAE3sZW.jpg

(Sorry.. not sure how to embed this pic)

[pelmet]

From another forum....wouldn't using low vis runways make more sense?

"AC623 arrived just after midnight EST (0500Z):

Cyyz 250600z 14002kt 3sm -ra br ovc003 03/03 a2950 rmk ns8 slp997
Cyyz 250542z 08010kt 2sm -ra br ovc003 03/03 a2949 rmk ns8 presfr slp992
Cyyz 250528z 06009kt 3/4sm r15l/p6000ft/u r06l/p6000ft/d r05/6000ft/d r15r/p6000ft/u -shra br vv002 03/03 a2951 rmk fg8 presfr slp998
Cyyz 250515z vrb07kt 3/4sm r15l/2600vp6000ft/u r24r/3000v6000ft/u r15r/3000vp6000ft/u -tsra br vv002 03/03 a2956 rmk fg8 ocnl ltgic

Cyyz 250500z vrb02kt 3/8sm r15l/2800ft/n r24r/3000ft/d r15r/3500ft/u -tsra fg vv001 03/03 a2956 rmk fg8 ocnl ltgic presfr slp018

Cyyz 250450z 22005kt 170v230 3/8sm r15l/3000ft/n r24r/3500v5000ft/u r15r/3500ft/u -tsra vv001 03/03 a2959 rmk fg8 ocnl ltgic presrr slp028
Cyyz 250429z vrb03kt 3/8sm r15l/3000ft/n r24r/3000ft/n r15r/3000ft/d fg vv001 03/03 a2956 rmk fg8 presfr slp017
Cyyz 250400z 12006kt 1/2sm r15l/4500vp6000ft/n r24r/4000v5500ft/d r15r/3000v5500ft/d fg vv002 03/03 a2956 rmk fg8 slp017
Cyyz 250313z 11007kt 1/4sm r15l/2800vp6000ft/d r24r/2600ft/n r15r/3500v4500ft/n fg vv001 03/03 a2956 rmk fg8 slp017
Cyyz 250300z 11007kt 1/2sm r15l/3500vp6000ft/u r24r/3500ft/d r15r/5000ft/d fg vv0 "

[pelmet]

ATC recording. Start from the beginning.

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/cyyz/ ... -0500Z.mp3

[complexintentions]

From another forum....wouldn't using low vis runways make more sense?

"AC623 arrived just after midnight EST (0500Z):

Cyyz 250600z 14002kt 3sm -ra br ovc003 03/03 a2950 rmk ns8 slp997
Cyyz 250542z 08010kt 2sm -ra br ovc003 03/03 a2949 rmk ns8 presfr slp992
Cyyz 250528z 06009kt 3/4sm r15l/p6000ft/u r06l/p6000ft/d r05/6000ft/d r15r/p6000ft/u -shra br vv002 03/03 a2951 rmk fg8 presfr slp998
Cyyz 250515z vrb07kt 3/4sm r15l/2600vp6000ft/u r24r/3000v6000ft/u r15r/3000vp6000ft/u -tsra br vv002 03/03 a2956 rmk fg8 ocnl ltgic

Cyyz 250500z vrb02kt 3/8sm r15l/2800ft/n r24r/3000ft/d r15r/3500ft/u -tsra fg vv001 03/03 a2956 rmk fg8 ocnl ltgic presfr slp018

Cyyz 250450z 22005kt 170v230 3/8sm r15l/3000ft/n r24r/3500v5000ft/u r15r/3500ft/u -tsra vv001 03/03 a2959 rmk fg8 ocnl ltgic presrr slp028
Cyyz 250429z vrb03kt 3/8sm r15l/3000ft/n r24r/3000ft/n r15r/3000ft/d fg vv001 03/03 a2956 rmk fg8 presfr slp017
Cyyz 250400z 12006kt 1/2sm r15l/4500vp6000ft/n r24r/4000v5500ft/d r15r/3000v5500ft/d fg vv002 03/03 a2956 rmk fg8 slp017
Cyyz 250313z 11007kt 1/4sm r15l/2800vp6000ft/d r24r/2600ft/n r15r/3500v4500ft/n fg vv001 03/03 a2956 rmk fg8 slp017
Cyyz 250300z 11007kt 1/2sm r15l/3500vp6000ft/u r24r/3500ft/d r15r/5000ft/d fg vv0 "

VV001.

Not like it was sudden. At 0300Z, VV0.

My Jepps show 15R is Cat 1 only.

??

There are certain annoying aspects of European airport operations, but one thing I do like is they go into LVO ops long before the weather is this bad.

This will annoy our resident speculation-police, but perhaps they were attempting to autoland on an unprotected signal and then the localizer took them for a ride? À la Singapore in MUC (2011).

Do those old 320's even have centreline guidance after landing?

C'mon Rockie. Your company, your fleet, your type. It's foolish to think there will be no wondering what happened, might as well make the conversation intelligent. I got asked a lot about EK521 and I didn't even work there anymore. I didn't mind.