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2 years and 2 months. Is that a record?
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Hard. Landing.

Today's report sponsored by AC......
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CpnCrunch wrote:2 years and 2 months. Is that a record?
No.. but considering Swissair was 3 ½ years I think, this had better be one incredibly detailed report.
The TSB did an amazing job then; airplane in shreds on the ocean floor with power loss (recorders ended pre-crash). This time the TSB had the freaking thing handed to them on a platter (Rwy 05). So by comparison this report is was overdue.

I'm not holding my breath. Hope I'm surprised.
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Prediction:

This will be a watershed report on par with Dryden, with far reaching recommendations that will fundamentally change the way we operate in Canada for the better.
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It'll be an interesting Thursday for sure.
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"The Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) will hold a news conference on 18 May 2017 to make public its investigation report (A15H0002) into the 29 March 2015 collision with terrain involving Air Canada Flight 624 at the Halifax Stanfield International Airport, Nova Scotia."

When: 18 May 2017 10:00 a.m. Atlantic Daylight Time (9am Eastern / 1pm UTC)
Where: Four Points by Sheraton, Halifax, Nova Scotia

The event will be broadcast live on TSB's YouTube channel.

Link: TSB Media Advisory
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Like the swissair and Air France accident lots of recommendations will be made but few if any will be enacted.

Here's hoping they shed light on Canada's inadequate runway and approach lighting as well as head scratching approach ban minima.
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The approach ban is toast I'll bet. There's no way to defend it. There should also be a recommendation for every stakeholder in the industry to embrace RNAV approaches with vertical guidance because of their inherent safety, but the real selling point for everyone involved is their vastly lower cost. Airport lighting should also greatly improve with all the money they'll save on LPV and RNP approaches. GLS development should also get honourable mention if the TSB has done their job properly.

I'll be eagerly sitting in front of the telly tomorrow morning and will have my finger on the download button at tsb.gc.ca.
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CpnCrunch wrote:2 years and 2 months. Is that a record?

This one for a relatively simple runway over-run, took almost 2 years as well:

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-repor ... 5Q0075.pdf
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Anyone watching the live stream. Does not appear to be up an running.

Edit: found it on CBC then the sound gave out so guess I'll give up on the live stream.
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I just watched it, don't bother. Waiting for the report to be released on the TSB site.
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Fatigue never mentioned at the presentation.
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I've just scanned the report for the juicy bits. I think it boils down to this:
Air Canada's standard operating procedure and historical practice when flying in flight path angle (FPA) guidance mode was that once the aircraft was past the final approach fix (FAF), the flight crews were not required to monitor the aircraft's altitude and distance from the threshold or to make any adjustments to the FPA. This practice was not in accordance with Air Canada's and Airbus's flight crew operating manuals (FCOM).
It just seems a little odd that nobody noticed this problem before.
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Snagmaster E wrote:Fatigue never mentioned at the presentation.
It was in detail in the report, and considered to be not a factor for this incident.
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So basically they went under the MDA without visual references?
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Is it just me, or did anybody notice that they started the descent 0.2 (1216) back from the FAF and were 0.3 (1824) back from the published MDA? Then wind accounted for 608' farther back from the MDA.
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goldeneagle wrote:
Snagmaster E wrote:Fatigue never mentioned at the presentation.
It was in detail in the report, and considered to be not a factor for this incident.
Gotcha. No surprise there that fatigue rules are good as they are.
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