AC Lining Up with a Taxiway SFO...?

[Rockie]

Are you suggesting that the last statement that their aircraft said to them that night was a call of retard, retard?

Maybe it should have said retard's?

That joke would be more effective if you understood plurals and how to spell "retards".

Just a little advice for a young budding comedian....

[altiplano]

LOL...

. can't spell

. is a "retard"

['97 Tercel]

Are you suggesting that the last statement that their aircraft said to them that night was a call of retard, retard?

Maybe it should have said retard's?

That joke would be more effective if you understood plurals and how to spell "retards".

Just a little advice for a young budding comedian....

[Rockie]

Oh c'mon Tercel, you didn't see the ironic humour in misspelling a comment aimed at disparaging someone's intelligence?

I thought it was hilarious....

[C.W.E.]

Good catch you guys.

I will try and remember to check my spelling more closely in the future.

But even more important is even low intelligence people can be very successful as a pilot because my flying career is proof positive it can be done.

[altiplano]

Here's another A320 crew for you to berate...

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American Airlines A320 on a visual approach into Fort Myers runway 06 almost landed at the wrong airport (Page Field runway 05).

ATC directed them to go around... News media and "experts" say there was no danger, just embarrassed pilots. Aircraft at Page were taking off and landing on the crossing runway.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/american-ai ... ort-myers/

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... rt-451629/

[pelmet]

Similar incident....it can happen. Back up your visual approach....

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Repor ... m&IType=IA

[YYZSaabGuy]

The NTSB is scheduled to meet tomorrow and release its findings and recommendations, according to https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... on-runways. Unsurprisingly, crew fatigue and failure to adequately review pre-flight warnings about potentially confusing construction at SFO are being cited as the major culprits. Equally unsurprisingly, it looks as though Canadian authorities are going to be asked to review flight duty time regulations, at least as they pertain to Canadian flights operating within the U.S.:

"While the NTSB’s findings are subject to change at the meeting, the staff has proposed citing pilot actions as the cause of the incident, with the flight crew’s fatigue and other issues as factors, said the person. The NTSB is also preparing to ask Transport Canada, that nation’s aviation regulator, to adopt stricter rules for pilots who fly in the U.S., according to the person."

[goingnowherefast]

AC pilots have more stringent fatigue rules in their CBA too. The rest of Canada is worse off.

I hope this neuters the lobbyists, embarrasses the politicians and we get some much needed rest.

[Hangry]

M.G should resign in disgrace. His inaction and ineptitude are inexcusable. At lease he'll be called out by a real agency. The FAA.

[Gannet167]

"ONE RECOMMENDATION TO TRANSPORT CANADA,......REVISE CURRENT REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL FOR FATIGUE FOR PILOTS ON RESERVE DUTY WHO ARE CALLED TO OPERATE EVENING FLIGHTS THAT WOULD EXTEND INTO THE PILOT'S WINDOW OF CIRCADIAN LOW."

[Gannet167]

"WE KNOW THAT THE CAPTAIN, THE THIS WAS OPERATING IN THE CAPTAIN'S IN-FLIGHT CREW CIRCADIAN LOW AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING ON HIS BODY CLOCK. IT IS GENERALLY BETWEEN 2:00 AND6:00 IN THE MORNING. AWAKENING WAS 19 HOURS. WAS THE CAPTAIN RUNNING A CUMULATIVE SLEEP DEBT?

>> HE DIDN'T INDICATE HE HAD A CUMULATIVE DEBT?

CHAIRMAN SUMWALT: DID HE HAVE SLEEP DISORDERS?

>> NO. TWO OF THE ISSUES WE USUALLY LOOK AT, THE BOXES WERE CHECKED. I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT HE WAS FATIGUED. WE BELIEVE THAT MAY HAVE LIKELY AFFECTED HIS PERFORMANCE. EXPLAIN TO WAS. YOU SAID EARLIER SOMETHING ABOUT THE CANADIAN TIME LIMITS. THE CAPTAIN COULD HAVE LEGALLY REMAINED ON DUTY ANOTHER NINE HOURS. HE COULD HAVE BEEN ON DUTY LEGALLY ANOTHER NINE HOURS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

>> ACCORDING TO CANADIAN REGULATIONS, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERMISSIBLE.

CHAIRMAN SUMWALT: WHAT THAT HAVE BEEN PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE U.S. REGULATIONS THAT WERE REVISED COMING OUT OF THE AIRCRAFT?

>> IT WOULD NOT HAVE."

[Lightchop]

While they're at it, maybe look into Emirates flight and duty regulations... Or really any ME carrier.

[groundpilot]

"ONE RECOMMENDATION TO TRANSPORT CANADA,......REVISE CURRENT REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL FOR FATIGUE FOR PILOTS ON RESERVE DUTY WHO ARE CALLED TO OPERATE EVENING FLIGHTS THAT WOULD EXTEND INTO THE PILOT'S WINDOW OF CIRCADIAN LOW."

This

We need foreign intervention to get our stuff together. Brutal. They must think Canada is bush league

[Gannet167]

"FINDINGS..... 12, THE CAPTAIN IN THE FIRST OFFICER WERE FATIGUED DURING THE INCIDENT FLIGHT DUE TO THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT THEY HAD BEEN CONTINUOUSLY AWAKE, WHICH LIGHTLY CONTRIBUTED TO CREW MEMBERS' MISIDENTIFICATION OF THE LATE INTENDED LANDING SURFACE, THERE ONGOING EXPECTATION BIAS, AND THE DELAY DECISION TO GO AROUND.13, CURRENT CANADIAN REGULATIONS DO NOT IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES ALLOW FOR SUFFICIENT REST FOR RESERVED PILOTS, WHICH CAN RESULT IN THESE PILOTS FLYING IN A [FATIQUED] STATE DURING THEIR WINDOW OF [DUTY]-- "

[rookiepilot]

We need foreign intervention to get our stuff together. Brutal. They must think Canada is bush league

This.

Should hear conversations I've had with friends about the trucking industry up here, too. Scary.

[Flitey]

It seems the United States wants some action on our fatigue rules as a result of their investigation:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-s-safet ... -1.4838586

[pelmet]

Maybe they should have taken a snooze in the cockpit which is allowed. I doubt they were any more fatigued than the guys departing at midnight from their home base for a 12 hour overseas flight to SFO or guys flying the midnight flights from west to east at AC, especially if you were on standby. Then again, we end up with stupid rules like insisting that the crew be awakened right in the middle of their sleep after about thirty minutes because some previous guy at the same airline woke up, thought a star was another aircraft and almost caused a midair collision. Stupid rules caused by stupid actions.

I realize everyone is different when it comes to sleep patterns but I just had another nice one hour snooze in the flight deck yesterday(after being initially bothered twice). The snooze ensured that I was wide awake for the landing.

[TheStig]

M.G should resign in disgrace. His inaction and ineptitude are inexcusable. At lease he'll be called out by a real agency. The FAA.

Since this incident AC has replaced its Director of Flight Operations, Director of Safety and Training and the Airbus 320 Chief Pilot. The flight ops directory, outside of crew manning, looks almost entirely different.

[groundpilot]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/business/ ... -1.4108110