altiplano wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:16 pm
I can't believe I've never noticed illuminated red stop bar lights embedded in the taxiway... I guess I was always too busy paying attention and holding short...
That's good info... you never noticed them, and I'm assuming neither did the crews that crossed them. It's not just some foolish distracted crews, it's you too (no insult intended, we're all human).
cossack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:38 pm
If the hold line is a few metres (not 25-50m) closer than expected, there is still no excuse for not seeing the lit bar.
The D6 exit from 24L is shorter than the others so that line can creep up on you but since it 8000' down a 9000' runway, you're not going in there at 50kt.
Google Earth shows all the lines are exactly 115m from the centerline, with the exception of D6, which is ~140m. They are 25m-50m further from the runway compared to normal.
But, it's not about making excuses. Everyone seems to get wrapped up in that idea. I'm sure none of the crews who went over the line felt that 'it was someone else's fault'; and, I don't think the solution to make everything safer is to get those crews to just admit they screwed the pooch. How would that help? Should those crews just be fired, and then problem solved?
In contrast however, understanding why those crews made that mistake, might actually lead to improvement.