26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
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26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
https://globalnews.ca/news/3826632/fire ... f-calgary/
Two people are dead after a plane crashed near the Springbank Airport west of Calgary Thursday morning.
EMS spokesperson Stuart Brideaux said the two adults were deceased when paramedics and fire crews arrived.
“There is a fire and smoke in the area and visibility is reduced on the highways,” Cochrane RCMP said in a release sent just before 11 a.m.
Drivers were asked to avoid the area while the investigation unfolds. EMS said the scene was south of Highway 1, west of Calaway Park.
Rocky View County communications advisor Amanda Bradley said a witness called in with a report of a plane flying low that crashed just before 10 a.m.
Bradley said fire crews from Springbank Fire Hall, Elbow Valley Fire Hall and Cochrane responded to the scene on Huggard Road between Range Road 33 and Range Road 34.
She said the airport authority and RCMP had taken over the scene as of 10:30 a.m.
Global News crews on scene said the area appeared to be a farm field about one kilometre west of the Springbank School.
Anyone with information regarding this investigation is asked to contact the Cochrane RCMP detachment at 403-851-8000 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477 (TIPS).
Two people are dead after a plane crashed near the Springbank Airport west of Calgary Thursday morning.
EMS spokesperson Stuart Brideaux said the two adults were deceased when paramedics and fire crews arrived.
“There is a fire and smoke in the area and visibility is reduced on the highways,” Cochrane RCMP said in a release sent just before 11 a.m.
Drivers were asked to avoid the area while the investigation unfolds. EMS said the scene was south of Highway 1, west of Calaway Park.
Rocky View County communications advisor Amanda Bradley said a witness called in with a report of a plane flying low that crashed just before 10 a.m.
Bradley said fire crews from Springbank Fire Hall, Elbow Valley Fire Hall and Cochrane responded to the scene on Huggard Road between Range Road 33 and Range Road 34.
She said the airport authority and RCMP had taken over the scene as of 10:30 a.m.
Global News crews on scene said the area appeared to be a farm field about one kilometre west of the Springbank School.
Anyone with information regarding this investigation is asked to contact the Cochrane RCMP detachment at 403-851-8000 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477 (TIPS).
Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
Looks to be SATC. Brutal year for training at YBW. Condolences.
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Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
Looks like GCCM...had just taken off for a circuit.
Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
Sad day for the Calgary area. Condolences to the families of those involved. RIP.
Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
I flew in right after it happened and took off again shortly thereafter. The accident site was less than 1 mile south of the departure end of RWY 17 and just slightly east of centreline. Very sad.
Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
Anything on the tower tape?
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Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
On the 15:30 inner tower recording, about 2/3rd of the way through you hear CCM getting takeoff clearance. Then after a minute CCM asks for a circuit and is cleared for a right-hand circuit. There's a few more minutes and then tower makes a comment about an accident. Nothing else from CCM that I heard.cncpc wrote:Anything on the tower tape?
Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
So it appears not to be on initial climb out? And no mayday.CpnCrunch wrote:On the 15:30 inner tower recording, about 2/3rd of the way through you hear CCM getting takeoff clearance. Then after a minute CCM asks for a circuit and is cleared for a right-hand circuit. There's a few more minutes and then tower makes a comment about an accident. Nothing else from CCM that I heard.cncpc wrote:Anything on the tower tape?
Where can that tape be listened to?
Thanks
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Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
I think it was...my impression is that they called asking for circuits during the climbout, but it's impossible to tell for sure.cncpc wrote: So it appears not to be on initial climb out?
No, not that I heard.And no mayday.
I think this is it:Where can that tape be listened to?
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/cybw/ ... -1530Z.mp3
Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
Wow. You can hear the stress in the controller's voice. It must be difficult to keep it together in that kind of situation.
Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
I get this from the tape:
17:58 TWR Clear take off 5000 height restriction, tower freq given
20:07 CCM CCM would like to do a circuit right away
20: 11 TWR Okay Charlie Mike, right hand circuit
20:30 TWR clears aircraft to land and instructs unidentified aircraft Victor Oscar to make immediate right hand circuit
20:39 Unidentified aircraft reports fire south
22:50 TWR acknowledges aircraft down and issues instructions to other aircraft
It would appear that by 20:30 the tower knows the aircraft has gone down as she sends VO inside and ahead of CCM if it were inside the circuit. So 23 seconds after CCM's last transmission, there is either smoke or the tower visuals the descent to ground. Only possible clue is request for a circuit "right away". Original intention must not have been for circuits.
17:58 TWR Clear take off 5000 height restriction, tower freq given
20:07 CCM CCM would like to do a circuit right away
20: 11 TWR Okay Charlie Mike, right hand circuit
20:30 TWR clears aircraft to land and instructs unidentified aircraft Victor Oscar to make immediate right hand circuit
20:39 Unidentified aircraft reports fire south
22:50 TWR acknowledges aircraft down and issues instructions to other aircraft
It would appear that by 20:30 the tower knows the aircraft has gone down as she sends VO inside and ahead of CCM if it were inside the circuit. So 23 seconds after CCM's last transmission, there is either smoke or the tower visuals the descent to ground. Only possible clue is request for a circuit "right away". Original intention must not have been for circuits.
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Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
I guess maybe they realised they had a problem and decided to come back to land.cncpc wrote: Original intention must not have been for circuits.
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What ever it was, it got worse very fast.CpnCrunch wrote:I guess maybe they realised they had a problem and decided to come back to land.cncpc wrote: Original intention must not have been for circuits.
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Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
Engine failure and VMC roll on final? With the size of the fire, I don't think fuel quantity was an issue.
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Within 19 seconds the situation went from a belief that a circuit was possible to ground impact. Without any call.Diadem wrote:Engine failure and VMC roll on final? With the size of the fire, I don't think fuel quantity was an issue.
I don't think they were on final. But VMC roll, yes. The witness said the nose dropped and it hit the ground from 100 feet.
It looks like they could have put the gear down and just landed where they were if it was engine failure and not able to maintain.
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Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
CpnCrunch wrote:I guess maybe they realised they had a problem and decided to come back to land.cncpc wrote: Original intention must not have been for circuits.
Occured departing 17. Piled in where you would normally turn base. Straight down.
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Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
Crosswind that isguyfullofrage wrote:CpnCrunch wrote:I guess maybe they realised they had a problem and decided to come back to land.cncpc wrote: Original intention must not have been for circuits.
Occured departing 17. Piled in where you would normally turn base. Straight down.
Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
The request for a circuit seems to be made by the instructor. The student was an Iranian Canadian.
The voice is clearly stressed and the request is urgent, but no pan or mayday. He hesitates in deciding what he wants to do and then says "...circuit right away".
The voice is clearly stressed and the request is urgent, but no pan or mayday. He hesitates in deciding what he wants to do and then says "...circuit right away".
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Re: 26 Oct 2017 - 2 dead after plane crash near Springbank Airport, west of Calgary
I'm really not hearing urgency in the pilot's voice. Sounds more like hey we'd like to do a circuit now on our way to whatever we told you we were planning.cncpc wrote:The request for a circuit seems to be made by the instructor. The student was an Iranian Canadian.
The voice is clearly stressed and the request is urgent, but no pan or mayday. He hesitates in deciding what he wants to do and then says "...circuit right away".
circuitrightaway.mp3
Is anyone able to comment on how long the machine had been flying prior to the accident since being refuelled?
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No, it doesn't sound like "...hey we'd like to do a circuit now." It sounds exactly like what he said. Right away.co-joe wrote:I'm really not hearing urgency in the pilot's voice. Sounds more like hey we'd like to do a circuit now on our way to whatever we told you we were planning.cncpc wrote:The request for a circuit seems to be made by the instructor. The student was an Iranian Canadian.
The voice is clearly stressed and the request is urgent, but no pan or mayday. He hesitates in deciding what he wants to do and then says "...circuit right away".
circuitrightaway.mp3
Is anyone able to comment on how long the machine had been flying prior to the accident since being refuelled?
If there was no urgency, then the people who saw the aircraft at low level and descending are mistaken. And, it's just a coincidence that 19 seconds after saying "hey we'd like..." the aircraft had hit the ground and exploded after nosing in from 100 feet. Nobody likes to do a circuit at 100 feet.
If you ask about refuelling because you think a misfuel with jet fuel may have caused this, that is a good point. If you think it ran out of fuel, that is obviously not a good point.
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