Plane registered to Roy Halladay crashes in Gulf off Florida

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Plane registered to Roy Halladay crashes in Gulf off Florida

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It was Doc :(
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He had just taken delivery of the first "Founders Edition" Icon A5 a few weeks ago. They company put up this video in mid October.

**edited with new link for video after prior video was deleted from youtube**

https://youtu.be/CO9dIyNM_9Q
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Sadly,the way that company has positioned and marketed that aircraft it's very unlikely to be the last accident.
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I guess the weather in the Gulf of Mexico threw him a curve ball.
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FAA said the plane was registered on monday of this week.
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Is it just me or the images shot from the air on media channels show the wreckage with his body floating beside the plane??? If so, what a disgrace.
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Jim la Jungle wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:25 pm Is it just me or the images shot from the air on media channels show the wreckage with his body floating beside the plane??? If so, what a disgrace.
I watched the 20 minute video shot from the circling helicopter, and can't convince myself that any bits floating away from the airplane are anything but debris. One boat comes right in to the body of the airplane, backs away for a while, and then speeds off at high speed. The video is low-res, but best guess would be they pulled him out, paused to attempt CPR, and then took off for shore/medical assistance. But even that is a wild guess based on grainy events in the video.
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Jim la Jungle wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:25 pm Is it just me or the images shot from the air on media channels show the wreckage with his body floating beside the plane??? If so, what a disgrace.
It appears that way....looks like he’s wearing a blue t-shirt
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttf_EzEkxBk clearly no body - pilot was flying recklessly and trapped in mangled inverted cockpit.
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ChrisEvans wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:41 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttf_EzEkxBk clearly no body - pilot was flying recklessly and trapped in mangled inverted cockpit.
You can hear the guys say “there he is right there, you can see his shirt”.
The water looked like it was kinda murky still, maybe after it cleared he was more visible. Either way it’s sad.

So witnesses reported seeing him swooping down to 5ft as seen in the video also. Is it possible he was practicing landing or approaches to the water?
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Looks like he was going kinda fast for touch and goes. This is what a lot of money and no experience ends up like sometimes. The news mentioned today that his father was a career pilot. Sad outcome anyway.
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Inverted2 wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:17 pm Looks like he was going kinda fast for touch and goes. This is what a lot of money and no experience ends up like sometimes. The news mentioned today that his father was a career pilot. Sad outcome anyway.
I edited the post above with the link to the promo video Icon had put out last month after he took delivery of the plane. In it he mentioned he had always wanted to be a pilot like his dad, but baseball came first and his MLB contracts prohibited him from pursuing flying until after he retired. He retired after the 2013 season so he hasn't had a ton of time. Haven't heard how quickly he pursued his license in these 4 years or how many hours he has accumulated.
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Reported to have a ppl and @700hrs. Also had time on type.

No matter his skill level, he was seen to be pushing the limits of the aircraft regularly.
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Straight from Icon's site... Low Flying Guidelines, for flying as low as 100' AGL.

https://www.iconaircraft.com/flight-cen ... w-altitude
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Inverted2 wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:17 pm Looks like he was going kinda fast for touch and goes.
Regarding your visual "kinda fast", .. is maybe partly because final turned in/into downwind looks like (ie: if so, then your observation is in part on account of an increased groundspeed of what could be an unplanned downwind situation), which unexpected, can create illusion of speed for the pilot .. while airspeed slowed already; with high speed it can bounce more severely or deflect in flair off the smaller wave ... to launch back up (higher) .. but then into unstable flight / poor control.

Calm water lee-side of the wreckage (can be observed in same video) seems to indicate WSW wind direction ... where the 'touch and go' appears is approx in the NE direction (same as the wx history has it at the departure airport .. as a steady NE component). North of Ben Pilot Point some of the wx-histories are agreeing with a southerly/westerly component going on there in that area at the time of this tragedy ... just an early observation

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The April Icon5 accident report (1st one / nonfatal) includes the pilot's own reporting of a no flap approach into an unexpected windshear, setting up a fast sinkrate that wouldn't arrest in time with max power added. It underscores a professional approach to land is making proper use of the flap, a time-tested tool for lift assurance in the slower stages of flight where in one case speed can bleed off faster with greater consequence when it does. But mostly, to be as slow as possible when close to 0-AGL .. and not high speed ..either where the tiny pitchchange (down) is catastrophic .

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Are we being shown here that it's partly the tempation not to use flap for these faster maneuvrings at low alt (which keeps coming up in these videos) that is propagating risk for this type of crashes :?: (ie Which of the three crashes was using flap when approaching so near the surface ? Any ?)
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Well the plane is “kinda wrecked” and after watching all the videos of him hot dogging barely above the water there’s no chance he was just practicing touch and goes and flipped over on landing.

PS. What the heck is with all the ads on this site now? They take up more space than the posts do.
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Inverted2 wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:56 pmPS. What the heck is with all the ads on this site now? They take up more space than the posts do.
Install an ad blocker. I see no ads on the site.
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Inverted2 wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:56 pm ... there’s no chance he was just practicing touch and goes and flipped over on landing.
Is this suggesting .. there's no chance it was just a flipover while practising touch and go landings ?
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I've seen lots of sea planes that have flipped over on landing. Damaged yes but this one was completely destroyed. I doubt a factory built airplane would break up that badly on a landing mishap. Looks more like hitting water at high speed.
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