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Westwind

#1 Post by sunk » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:02 pm

Any word on the atr crash in fon du lac. Crashed on take off I heard due to freezing rain.
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#2 Post by yhz41 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:25 pm

Apparently multiple injuries but no fatalities reported
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#3 Post by Dizzy D » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:15 pm

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Re: Westwind

#4 Post by Chuck Finley » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:24 pm

Any word on the atr crash in fon du lac. Crashed on take off I heard due to freezing rain.
Too early to jump to conclusions. Let's wait for the investigation and report. Maybe it'll be classified as a hard landing and not a crash.
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Re: Westwind

#5 Post by BE20 Driver » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:28 pm

I don't see anything about FZRA in the CYSF METAR. As far back as 0100z, it was -9C.
Glad to hear there were no fatalities.
Let's not jump to any conclusions just yet.
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Re: Westwind

#6 Post by arctic_slim » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:29 pm

sunk wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:02 pm
Any word on the atr crash in fon du lac. Crashed on take off I heard due to freezing rain.
Wondering where you heard this from. Nothing is mentioned in the article. Do you have some insider source?
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Re: Westwind

#7 Post by AntiNakedMan » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:41 pm

Chuck Finley wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:24 pm
Any word on the atr crash in fon du lac. Crashed on take off I heard due to freezing rain.
Too early to jump to conclusions. Let's wait for the investigation and report. Maybe it'll be classified as a hard landing and not a crash.
I doubt they landed hard a kilometer from the airport...

The GFA has been showing FZRA all day across northern Sask
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Re: Westwind

#8 Post by sunk » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:46 pm

Yes, inside info with people on the ground in fond do lac
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#10 Post by BE20 Driver » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:17 pm

I was obviously only looking at the METAR. But the point that I am making is that there could be any number of causes and let's not make any assumptions about one factor or another just yet.
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#11 Post by 77W » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:20 pm

UACN01 CYWG 140143
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UUA /OV CYSF /TM 0139 /FLDURD /TP BE20 /IC MDT RIME SFC-015AGL /RM
PILOT ADZ -FZDZ WITHIN 10NM CYSF AT 2225Z WHILE AWOS RPTG -SN
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#12 Post by Ypilot » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:31 pm

Picture of the crash here: http://www.mbcradio.com/index.php/mbc-n ... ond-du-lac

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Re: Westwind

#13 Post by Gannet167 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:52 am

Does the Fond du Lac airport have any deicing capability on the ground?
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#14 Post by sunk » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:29 am

Question should be does westwind have an adequate de ice unit along with the required lift to get to the height of the tail to de ice and inspect. It's pretty high up there and a regular ladder won't work.
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Re: Westwind

#15 Post by Turbolag » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:50 am

Please keep speculation to yourself. No one, not the ground crew, or other “inside sources”, knows the factors that caused this crash. To speculate on one idea that may have lead to an accident simply spreads rumours not based on facts. The TSB will provide a cause(s) in time.

The facts are that the airplane crashed and all souls survived. This is extremely good news given the possibility of post crash fires for such events.

From what I understand, support from both the Fond du Lac and Stony Rapids communities helped minimize casualties with their emergency services. The addition of the CF Hercules and it’s crew undoubtedly helped as well.

Those of us that know people involved in this event are feeling a great sigh of releaf that nothing worse happened.
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#16 Post by av8ts » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:04 am

Turbolag wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:50 am
Please keep speculation to yourself. No one, not the ground crew, or other “inside sources”, knows the factors that caused this crash. To speculate on one idea that may have lead to an accident simply spreads rumours not based on facts. The TSB will provide a cause(s) in time.

The facts are that the airplane crashed and all souls survived. This is extremely good news given the possibility of post crash fires for such events.

From what I understand, support from both the Fond du Lac and Stony Rapids communities helped minimize casualties with their emergency services. The addition of the CF Hercules and it’s crew undoubtedly helped as well.

Those of us that know people involved in this event are feeling a great sigh of releaf that nothing worse happened.
If you don’t want to see any speculation or people guessing what happened then you should stay off of aviation forums. Maybe go to the TSB wedsite and in 2 years you’ll see the report
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Re: Westwind

#17 Post by Jean-Pierre » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:12 am

The lack of deicing facility for 705 aircracft in the North is Canada's dirty little secret.
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#18 Post by Axial Flow » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:16 am

Even with "de-icing" equipment in the far north for some 705 operators, having the pilots responsible for actually getting out and doing it would be a hazard I am surprised Transport allows...by surprised...I mean SMS will be sure to take care of it and keep everyone safe.
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#19 Post by Cat Driver » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:33 am

If it was something other than crashing due to contaminated wings the company or the pilots will quickly let everyone know.

For sure they will not wait two years for the TSB B.S. to be released
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#20 Post by daedalusx » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:54 am

I'm sure in 4 years we'll get to read the prelim report...
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#21 Post by phillyfan » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:44 am

"Regnier added the TSB will take its time to conduct a thorough investigation, which may mean it could be a year or so before a final report is released.
"If we do uncover any serious safety deficiencies during the course of the investigation, we're not going to wait — we'll report on those publicly."

I'm sure all the Avcanada investigators had it solved before the sun came up this morning? I don't know how many crazy theories I have seen on these accident threads that ended up being pure nonsense. A certain Metro in BC was a great example.
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#22 Post by Maynard » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:29 pm

phillyfan wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:44 am
"Regnier added the TSB will take its time to conduct a thorough investigation, which may mean it could be a year or so before a final report is released.
"If we do uncover any serious safety deficiencies during the course of the investigation, we're not going to wait — we'll report on those publicly."

I'm sure all the Avcanada investigators had it solved before the sun came up this morning? I don't know how many crazy theories I have seen on these accident threads that ended up being pure nonsense. A certain Metro in BC was a great example.
And yet there have been instances where people have posted a theory the day after, and 2 years later was confirmed.... whether its assumptions or not, someone on here will have some sort of connection to an accident and present credible information. Anybody with half a pilot brain will be able to put pieces together.
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Re: Westwind

#23 Post by Ypilot » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:30 pm

Jean-Pierre wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:12 am
The lack of deicing facility for 705 aircracft in the North is Canada's dirty little secret.
TC is the industry lapdog.
Experience has been balancing for the lack of regulatory oversight for many years.
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Re: Westwind

#24 Post by swordfish » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:43 pm

"dirty little secret in Canada's North"....

The amount of shit on the wing of a plane - and it still climbs and flies just fine - will amaze you if you haven't flown "up North" very much. Did they teach you in surface contamination and airborne icing that "there's no such thing as a little ice"? They don't have a clue and are totally fucked up.
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Re: Westwind

#25 Post by Zaibatsu » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:56 pm

swordfish wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:43 pm
"dirty little secret in Canada's North"....

The amount of shit on the wing of a plane - and it still climbs and flies just fine - will amaze you if you haven't flown "up North" very much. Did they teach you in surface contamination and airborne icing that "there's no such thing as a little ice"? They don't have a clue and are totally fucked up.
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but it’s attitudes like that why we have planes crash. And there’s no point in having proper de icing facilities for fools who take off in FZRA.
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