Westwind
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Makes perfect business sense. Pat sells TWA for a nice price to WEW, WEW goes broke, Pat buys back his airline and WEW assets for pennies on the dollar and resumes serving the North with no competition in sight.
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He didn't buy it. They hired him for a new position. He was already employed by them as the accountable executive at TWA after he sold to WW
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I know he didn't buy it......yet. I was just looking into my crystal ball.
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That use to be called Jewish lightning, not sure what the non offensive term is for it these days
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Interchangeable with "financial combustion". If done well, there shouldn't be a thing left for investigators to investigate - just a dustpan full of ash.leftoftrack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:47 pm That use to be called Jewish lightning, not sure what the non offensive term is for it these days
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I hope this guy wasn't in the hangar, it seems like such a "happy" little plane.
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Pretty sure that the correct term - all along - has been 'arson'...leftoftrack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:47 pm That use to be called Jewish lightning, not sure what the non offensive term is for it these days
Say, what's that mountain goat doing up here in the mist?
Happiness is V1 at Thompson!
Ass, Licence, Job. In that order.
Happiness is V1 at Thompson!
Ass, Licence, Job. In that order.
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Lol.North Shore wrote: ↑Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:09 pmPretty sure that the correct term - all along - has been 'arson'...leftoftrack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:47 pm That use to be called Jewish lightning, not sure what the non offensive term is for it these days
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I hope it was. It was a tired bird 23 years ago when I flew it.
I believe a Saab, Twin Otter, King Air, and a couple of helicopters were in the hangar.
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Ouch...a SAAB too? Ahh well, Once the insurance pays out I know where there are some ATR-42s that will probably be available at bargain basement prices soon.bobcaygeon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:35 amI hope it was. It was a tired bird 23 years ago when I flew it.
I believe a Saab, Twin Otter, King Air, and a couple of helicopters were in the hangar.
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Somehow I don't think a spray bottle, a 30' ladder and a warming pad are going to entice any flight crew to de-ice and should never have counted as 704 / 705 de-icing equipment.
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Looks like they've got (at best) a 12' fibreglass and a 6' fibreglass ladder.schnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:32 am Somehow I don't think a spray bottle, a 30' ladder and a warming pad are going to entice any flight crew to de-ice and should never have counted as 704 / 705 de-icing equipment.
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It was after one particularly miserable time I spent on top of a cube van chipping ice off the tail in the middle of of nowhere that I added the airborne icing/freezing temperatures/deice equipment into my decision making. I’ve even flown around under the overcast at freezing for a few minutes to let the ice sublimate off before landing.
How can a company like Westwind not have the resources or the knowhow to stay out those situations? How could the crew have decided it was better to depart and risk everything than to find a solution to deice the plane and hold up until the problem was solved?
How can a company like Westwind not have the resources or the knowhow to stay out those situations? How could the crew have decided it was better to depart and risk everything than to find a solution to deice the plane and hold up until the problem was solved?
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Even worse, can't touch the tail had the pilots wanted to. I guess it wouldn't take much to assume this has been going on for years. Unfortunately the luck of the operation ran out.7ECA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:17 pmLooks like they've got (at best) a 12' fibreglass and a 6' fibreglass ladder.schnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:32 am Somehow I don't think a spray bottle, a 30' ladder and a warming pad are going to entice any flight crew to de-ice and should never have counted as 704 / 705 de-icing equipment.
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Talk about the danger of norms.
Sorry to all the WWA pilots out there sitting on the sidelines. Good luck in the job search, fortunately no better time to be applying than now.
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Two words:
Company Culture.
Normalization of Deviation
TC in PNR knows this is how operators deice as it is common. Yet they failed to take action. They are part of the problem.
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Company Culture.
Normalization of Deviation
TC in PNR knows this is how operators deice as it is common. Yet they failed to take action. They are part of the problem.
IMHO
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Normalization of Deviance
Start here, four parts if you are interested in the rest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljzj9Msli5o
Start here, four parts if you are interested in the rest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljzj9Msli5o
Liberalism itself as a religion where its tenets cannot be proven, but provides a sense of moral rectitude at no real cost.
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That looks about adequate for a King Air or a Navajo. Not for an ATR.schnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:32 am Somehow I don't think a spray bottle, a 30' ladder and a warming pad are going to entice any flight crew to de-ice and should never have counted as 704 / 705 de-icing equipment.
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Agreed.AWOS wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:51 amThat looks about adequate for a King Air or a Navajo. Not for an ATR.schnitzel2k3 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:32 am Somehow I don't think a spray bottle, a 30' ladder and a warming pad are going to entice any flight crew to de-ice and should never have counted as 704 / 705 de-icing equipment.
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