Perhaps easier said than done but man...it is bad news to end stopped in the middle of that runway. Might be an idea to think what one might do in the same situation. Depending on the situation, it might be best to change your mind and ignore controller instructions and power through the intersection once you realize you can't stop before it. No set answer of course.
"NTSB Investigating Runway Incursion in San Francisco
6/11/2007
The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating a runway incursion in San Francisco two weeks ago in which two airliners may have come within 50 feet of each other on intersecting runways.
At about 1:30 p.m. on May 26, 2007, the tower air traffic controller cleared SkyWest Airlines flight 5741, an Embraer 120 arriving from Modesto, California, to land on runway 28R. Forgetting about the arrival airplane, the same controller then cleared Republic Airlines flight 4912, an Embraer 170 departing for Los Angeles, to take off from runway 1L, which intersects runway 28R.
After the SkyWest airliner touched down, the Airport Movement Area Safety System (AMASS) alerted and the air traffic controller transmitted "Hold, Hold, Hold" to the SkyWest flight crew in an attempt to stop the aircraft short of runway 1L. The SkyWest crew applied maximum braking that resulted in the airplane stopping in the middle of runway 1L. As this was occurring, the captain of Republic Airlines flight 4912 took control of the aircraft from the first officer, realized the aircraft was traveling too fast to stop, and initiated an immediate takeoff. According to the crew of SkyWest 5741, the Republic Airlines aircraft overflew theirs by 30 to 50 feet. The Federal Aviation Administration has categorized the incident as an operational error.
The NTSB sent an investigator to San Francisco, who collected radar data, recorded air traffic control communications, and flight crew statements, and interviewed air traffic control personnel."
Don't come to a complete stop on the runway with converging traffic
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Don't come to a complete stop on the runway with converging traffic
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Re: Don't come to a complete stop on the runway with converging traffic
Wow... all I can say is that was an amazing quick decision by the captain to take control and take off early even though it definitely runs the risk of the com Air RJ from years ago that took off the wrong runway and rotated early only to crash shortly after
Re: Don't come to a complete stop on the runway with converging traffic
Why do they clear people to land or takeoff when the runway is not actually clear? This is something about the American system that has always bothered me
Re: Don't come to a complete stop on the runway with converging traffic
It happens in Canada as wel
Re: Don't come to a complete stop on the runway with converging traffic
It shouldn't per CARs Part VIII Standard 821:
2.4 Separation of a Departing Aircraft from Aircraft using Intersecting Runways
A departing aircraft shall be separated from an aircraft using an intersecting runway, or non-intersecting runway if flight paths intersect, by ensuring that the departing aircraft does not begin its take-off roll until one of the following conditions exists:
(a) a preceding departing aircraft has:
(i) passed the intersection,
(ii) crossed the departure runway, or
(iii) turned to avoid any conflict.
(b) a preceding arriving aircraft has:
(i) taxied off the landing runway,
(ii) completed the landing roll and will hold short of the intersection,
(iii) passed the intersection, or
(iv) crossed over the departure runway.
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Re: Don't come to a complete stop on the runway with converging traffic
It has nothing to do with what is legal. The controller forgot.
